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Marvel Cinematic Universe General Thread

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by Andrela, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    Yep, Cate as Hela is definitely waifu material.
     
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    Now let us watch FFN run that idea to ground.

    Noting is secret any more you know.
     
  3. Andrela

    Andrela Plot Bunny DLP Supporter

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    It is to be expected. This woman is unbelievably hot. No joke.
     
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    The biggest question on my mind is what the heck happened to Sif, and will we see some kind of cat fight between her and the new girl?
     
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    The out of universe reason is that Jaime Alexander couldn't fit in any filming around other commitments. Word of God is that Loki probably exiled her to stop her finding out what was going on, or at least sent her off on a mission of some sort. Probably never to be properly answered, as I doubt Sif is a priority character for fitting into any other films tbh.

    Anyway, thought the film was an absolute blast. Hilarious, of course, but just utterly fun throughout, and probably the most awesome entry of the MCU so far. The Thor film I've been wanting.
     
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    Just watched Thor: Ragnorak today. It was pretty great.

    To me, this movie just hit on the one thing I thought the MCU was missing: epicness. While the MCU features a ton of fights, none of them even come close to scratching the sheer power that the comics do; and while this movie didn't go that far either, I loved how the characters seemed more fantastical and super than a normal human. The superheroes seeming not very "super" has been my biggest dislike for the MCU so far. At times, it feels that the Avengers do the world saving not because they are the only ones that can do it (which would be good), but because that's how the writers made it. In this story, however, I really felt that our team of protagonists were the only group that could accomplish what they needed to in the films, besides perhaps Scarlet Witch or Vision. And the ending... my god the ending. I loved it! It hit on all the absurdity fantasy elements of Thor that I love.

    That being said, there were still a few flaws. The humor throughout the story was really good; however, at times I felt that it was a tad overdone and, towards the end, it felt, to me at least, that some of the humor was actually detracting from the plot and the tension being built.

    That being said, this was easily one of my favorite Marvel movies, if not my favorite among my top five: this, Spiderman, GoG 1 and 2, and Iron Man.
     
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    The movie is surely the best Thor movie and highly entertaining. More in line with GoG.

    But the humour isn't really fitting the story itself after Hela shows up. I also consider the movie a bit weak from a characterisation point of view when she bullied her way through Asgard. It had no real emotional impact as people just died without giving them some meaning. It wasn't even clear what Hela really wanted to achieve.

    That Thor lost at least one of his friends was also never thematised. He should have asked about his friends on the ship and then showed some emotional reaction.

    IMHO it lacks the character and plot depth to overtake the Winter Soldier which I consider the best Avenger movie, Civil War a close 2nd. These movies were more than just "comic" movies.

    P.S. Since when is Hela the daughter of Odin? She and Fenris are Loki's children. I'm also not really sure if Odin is meant to be really dead dead or just ascended. But then Hopkins is getting really old anyway.
     
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    I actually liked how at the end of the movie, it was shown just how powerful Surtur is - waving his giant sword around and destroying Asgard in every great sweep of his blade. It was kinda beautiful and sad at the same time.
     
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    Sorrows Queen of the Flamingos Moderator

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    Finally my fondness (crush) on Thor has been justified. I always liked him more than his movies deserved, I am really glad this one turned out to be unexpectedly great. Honestly there was nothing in it I though was a real weakness. People say that the end lacked gravitas but honestly nobody really has an emotional investment in Asgard, it would have been a waste of run time trying to convince us to care or to go into the final playing it like we do. Just fuck it up and make it explode, that was probably the best way to get some kind pf emotional reaction out of people.

    Although most of the Asgardians are dead right? That crowd was probably a few thousand people at most. Considering the size of the city plus the land behind looks like it supports at the absolute minimum 200,000 people, it could easily be several million. There is absolutely no way they got everyone (or even most of everyone) off. Like 90% of Asgardians totally got blown up or killed by Hela. They played it like all the non-soldiers survived.

    I liked the tone of the movie but they did skim over the deaths of the warriors 2, they killed them for the shock value but then never mentioned them again. Seems like after 3 movies Thor's super best friends could have warranted a poignant moment.
     
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    I wonder if heimdal searched out the secret doors out of asguard once he learned they existed, and sent some people out via those paths as well. We know there was a door to earth and the world of the dark elves, I bet there were doors to the other realms.
    Also, I could see the asgardians evacuating, they did meet Hela with a huge army. They had to have an inkling of the threat she represented to devote so many men to attack. Also, before he took the sword, heimdal could have sent civilians to safety.
     
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    Eh. Movies usually lack consistency in terms of population size. For example, the people hidden away in the cave were at least 3-4 times larger than the crowd at the end. We never got a definite number of people. Then again, this scene shows there being a huge crowd, probably numbering around 50-250 thousand. So, I agree that they were not necessarily accurate with regards to population size. However, I doubt Hela would want to kill all the citizens. It seemed that she wanted their recognition and love. She wanted them to worship her, to adore her. I think she would keep them so she can rule over somebody.
     
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    The thing I am wondering is just how much of the vault did Loki loot before he escaped. There are around ten items, and he has that technique where he can make objects appear, so it might mean he have a pocket dimension to carry/hide items. It's like in the first Thor movie, he made the casket appear out of thin air to freeze Heimdal. He either summoned it from a distance or some how magically carried it with him. Depending on their power, they could have survived the destruction of asguard, they were in a vault, so their protections could have let them survive.

    In the vault, there was the so called fake gauntlet, eternal flame, tuning fork, warlock eye, tesseract, casket and the tablet of life and time. The tablet had runes on it describing the beings that fed on energy from ragnorok. So I think it might have con sealed something important.
    Loki would have taken the casket as a weapon only he could wield and rightfully belongs to him would be too much to resist. The tesseract would explain the ending of the film. With both surtur and Hela gone, Loki could claim the fire as his own. He might be a frost giant, but the flame did come from the fire Giants. Also, it might mean in the future, he could control fenrir if he survived, and who would not want a giant wolf as a weapon.
    The gauntlet might be fake but that is unknown, also I could see Peter quill using it against thanos. Even if it is fake, it could lead them to the real one.
     
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    There is a a simple answer, there are more rooms on that ship and the rest of the population is there. And before Loki went to the bifrost, he got the other survivor groups on board.
     
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    He 100% stole the Tesseract. Which is probably why the ship -- Thanos' perhaps? -- appeared before them. Loki is the God of Mischief after all.
     
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    I think that was kind of the point. 'Here are Thor's boon companions, oh look, they've sprouted daggers from their hearts.'. Guys who kept up with Thor on his adventures for centuries got stomped by Hela without effort.
     
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    I get that, that scene was fine. Just a bit weird they never added a scene or just a moment of Thor reacting to it.
     
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    Given that battalions of Asgardian defenders are dead, I think he just assumed his friends had fallen with them and put it aside until after the crisis was dealt with, especially given there was no way for him to be aware of the exact nature of their deaths.
     
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    .i am hoping that somewhere there is a real right handed infinity gauntlet, as I am imagining Peter quill using it against thanos while he has the left handed one. Due to his celestial heritage, that glove could let him wield all the infinity stones.

    I have this idea that Peter quill might turn out to be an inhuman. When he finally comes back to earth, he gets exposed to terrigen. His powers would let him punch above his weight class enough to go against thanos.
     
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    Why Quill? By comics standards, Hulk, Thor, Scarlet Witch, and Dr. Strange are far and wide stronger than Quill. They could all probably take on the GoG solo.
     
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