There's a few comments I've made about DC that I wouldn't make about a partner, unless you think I'd be the type to push a "I town read him for raisons", then Fonti brings it up I mention "He would have known the game had started if mafia have daytalk so he's town" and then be the person that goes "I don't think mafia have daytalk, my town read on DC is nullified; I think people should keep him in their lynch pool". I also think the back and forth interaction we've had in general is pretty um? hard? to fake as mafia given the sheer magnitude of it and just how fast it is back-and-forth, like he mentioned we've having real time conversations where post merges aren't being allowed sometimes. You killing that tin-foil world is pretty important.

When I said I read his post differently to you, I mean I kind of liked his recent series of posting in a "this might actually be town" way which is what led to the switched vote? Can you read the interaction again and tell me if I'm being silly there? I went into my issues with Blab in general above, you have things to read there.

I can't talk about DC's initial vote on Blab since that's still ??? for me in general, it could be him trying to look good thinking Vaimes was about to actually lead a lynch there? But his Miner/Reg and no commitment is something that does make sense as scum in that they don't need to commit, as long as they're not the lynch they win. But I really feel lost, the only thing I feel confident in is the two pools of players.

 

I'm going to sleep, tomorrow I'll detail read the blab stuff and figure out wtf I want to do here. But if I somehow don't show up my then, Miner is the lynch I advocate for.

 

I'll move at EOD if we're short a vote for softlynch, but otherwise I still want to thunderdome Reg.

 

Miner if you're town I need you to town like you've never towned before.

 

We're not fucking lynching blab. :facepalm

 

Dude. You know my townplay. Like, if WH8 was an anomaly (which it probably was), then you should just look at Owner's Market. Or even just look at how different my scumplay was in TH7.

Like, the biggest reason I'm scumreading you is that there are players you're meta scumreading that are actually town and this is a problem because meta is something that's very easy to pass off as an excuse for scum post-flip.

 

Regfan

Like what fuck are you even doing?

You were with me on dC/miner now you're like "fuck it let's go blab instead?" Why? Are you just settling for anyone that isn't you at this point?

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Is that why you've done that not at all up until now?

 

Fable I've made my case. There's nothing much I can say now, except place my vote and let everyone else analyze. IDK wtf else you want from me.

 

Miner - A few things; 1) My scum read was and has never been meta on you this game, if anything meta is probably the thing that's making me cautious about this read for two reasons, a) I think your play here is actually closer to WH8 than anything else I've seen of you were and b) I'm taking Fontisians meta town read on you into account. 2) You'll notice I'm currently voting the guy I"m saying isn't mafia with you so uh? Maybe keep up and actually put some effort into this game and 3) If the mod comes into the game, flips Blab as mafia and tells you there's 1 mafia in Fable/DC who do you shoot with it and why? Actually put effort into this answer please. Like seriously, I need you to completely convince me you're town here and if you can do that I'll agree to Pie's offer.

Fable - Uh? No? Not at all? I think DC's interaction with me came of kind of genuine? I could be being silly with it but I think I'd rather take the chances inside the Blab v Miner pool at the moment; in there I can see DC+Blab and You+Blab both being possible and I'm scum reading Blabs play yesterday and today? I think a lot of what he's done today is just blatantly scummy.

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Also I was never with you on DC/Miner? I made it very clear throughout all of today that I thought DC+Blab was more likely than DC+Miner?

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Also this is pretty fucking disingenuous when I was trying to convince Pie/Vaimes to consider DC over Miner earlier and have done the same with Blab over Miner? Like you've said you'll be explaining your Blab read. I'm happy to read that when I wake up, if I'm convinced by it I'll move. But for now I think Blab is the highest % chance of hitting scum.

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Elaborate on reads, comment on others, talk about who you think the entire scum team is; talk about who you are confident is unaligned. Actually share reads and thoughts and not be a Stanari.

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I should be up ~5-6 hours before deadline and can do some catch up reading on the commute with some posting when I get time at work but I'm hoping Miner (and Blab) have done something by then and hope to see Fables read on Blab elaborated on so I can make a final decision.

 

Regfan

dC. Probably. Independently this dayphase he's gone down a LOT from the near-locktown place that he was a day or so ago. Also, the fact that he keeps trying to like... self-lynch is extremely -EV for town, especially since if he's actually town he's probably throwing the game.

Like, taking your example of blab flipping mafia. Then dC is like "Miner/Reg contains the last scum! If you don't believe me, lynch me and figure it out in LyLo!"

So we basically go into LyLo with it being you vs. me which would rule out all deepwolf things.

Meanwhile, Fable has at least consistent with his reads and his stances, and while I think that he could maybe reevaluate the gamestate at times, he's been pretty independently town thus far into the game.

Like, as someone mentioned before (I think it was pie), dC's interactions with flipped scum have just been really gross, and I don't think that I'd ever forgive myself if I paranoia shot Fable and it turned out dC was scum.

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Also Reg, if we take away spew for a moment (because we all know spew can be faked just look at Cobalt), why exactly are you townreading Stanari?

Like if there's a deepwolf here I'd bet 70% of the time it's Stanari.

 

Stanari has some really (Lets see Pie shit on me for this comment) pure assessments of key situations on the game, her reaction towards the Waco shot was decent (Not as town as Fontisian and co was making it out to be but certainly a point in her favour), her reaction towards everything Zenzao related is something that I just...don't think can be faked. Her reaction towards the Cobalt claim and how the Cobalt situation played out as well as her EOD comments yesterday just...don't come from mafia. Like the actual interactions themselves with scum->her and her->scum is just icing on the cake.

 

Miner

For you to actually push it because if you actually believe your case I don't think your getting your lynch today and considering we don't have a ton of room to spare here and I don't know how you're okay with that? Also have you said who you think is a wolf with Reg I still don't think you have? Also as annoyed as I am at Reg for trying to push (even though it's not really and generally a hypothetical) the fact that nobody is considering it with him even a little is also making me go "hmm" like it's another case of If Reg is a wolf why is he being left out to hang constantly?
Regfan

Yeah then I don't know if we're reading the same game because I've really liked blab today. Like he only has 3 people in the PoE and needs 3 mislynches so what exactly is his path to victory here? Like you can stop thinking I'm a wolf since that's fucking stupid so it's just dC and he wants to off the bus there?

 

I pretty much think there are certain moments in the game where there are stronger alignment indicative posts that happen, mostly when information is provided when it's unexpected and you see how people evaluate that information on the burst, it's much harder for scum to get in the exact mindset and fake posts around that period like she did multiple times.

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Fable - Blab only needs 2 mslynches to win. If it's DC+Blab he's got 2 in Miner+Me.

This is a world you keep ruling out and making me go ??????????????? "Hmmmm"

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He doesn't need 3, we're at 8 alive; not 9.

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Kind of don't hate everything in Miners #3150 other than his Stanari comment and even that I don't really find scummy, just merely disagree with?

 

oi, I'm assuming I'll get lynched, not trying to make it happen. Big difference.
Fable

Answer this, please.

 

If Reg is a wolf, I'd like to lynch dC next.

 

Yeah I find miner wolfy and blab villagery, blab has also been pushing miner for a wihle now so is it really that hard to figure out?

 

Hey, hey dC.

Even if you're not trying to actively hammer yourself (because that would literally be a scumclaim or gamethrowing), you're always bringing up the fact that you're going to get lynched and it doesn't even look like you're going to fight it. You're more like, I want to be the lynch so that people know that I was right and will follow my lynch path.

Which is just really bad if you're town.

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Are you crazy? blab townread me up until today.

 

Again a case of us just disagreeing? I'd argue Blabs been worse than Miner today and that's saying something. Also um, Blabs not really "pushing Miner", Blab thinks I'm the last scum and that it's a 4 scum team with daytalk and that I'm scum with Cobalt that let that claim happen after asking for him to claim in thread (LOL) but is lynching Miner first.

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Like whirl that around in your head a little and tell me that doesn't look fake.

 

I mean the simple answer is he doesn't believe in the 4 wolf world? But even then it would make more sense to lynch Reg before miner even in that case. >.>

Okay but even then that still makes no sense coming from wolf!blab because he would only do it like that to try and get the two mislynches which would mean dC/blab which then means it makes zero sense for you to call attention to it like this and fuck it up.

 

To be fair, I've been tempted to make a post like this a few times today and had to keep reminding myself that I've given shit to others that have made this play before because it's just a suboptimal move, means intentionally lynching town and there's no real guarantee that you even get listened to afterwards. Also I'm not confident enough to call the exact scum team nor do I want to get full blame for the loss.