blab please be towny and pure so I can have an even harder time making up my mind

 

Okay, so it was more a "we should pursue this path" rather than "we should pursue this path and also with this specific collection of townreads". I see.

I mean, people WERE just ignoring that whole thing. I would have been fine with "yes, I think Cobalt bussed Zenzao" but having a scumread on Cobalt and NOT addressing that makes it look like the scumread is not well-considered. This is true even though Cobalt has flipped scum.

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(EBWOP: also I want to say blab's latest post is skeeving me out with how conciliatory it is but that's almost CERTAINLY just my perspective as having him locked in as final scum and not actually a thing)
blab --- Okay so with the second lynch order, you propose lynching yourself after Miner flips town. In what way does this catch everyone? We end up at MYLO with two scum remaining alive...

In addition, if that lynch is required to handle the boxing in properly, why do you not also propose a selflynch in worlds where Miner is scum?

 

The second tree was posed at Reg, who had miner/blab unaligned.
I proposed it, because it defeated every scumteam that Reg thought plausibe (except Fable/blab, which he felt ok losing to at that point) plus solo!Reg.

It felt weird and scummy that Reg was fighting against the miner lynch, despite that. And Regfan then conveniently tinfoiling into the blab/Fable world after that interaction was double bad.

 

...but you still didn't think 5scum teams with Reg were possible at that point, even though he felt independently scummy? Esp. given there was no MYLO announcement, the lynch Miner/you line loses to Reg having a scumbuddy...

...although I guess the obvious candidate was Miner, who wouldn't flip town in that world.

Bleh.

 

yeah, Reg was scummy but unaligned with basically everyone imo, and if Miner flipped town I would have tunneled into 4scum!Reg.

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Hmm, I don't know what to think of dC, because on the one hand picking a player and than arguing for them to get lynched is definitely more like town trying to get to townwincondition than the flip-floping about earlier.
I can definitely see the progression to dC scumreading me the most, but overall I don't like the reasons he gave, but if he is town and simply determined I am the most likely scum via least reasons to townread then throwing stuff at me and shading me to see what sticks is not necessarily AI.

Kind of feels bad to scumread dC less for his recent posts because with his positioning like that our chances of victory basically shrunk to scum!dC.

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Still don't want to no-lynch here, though.
Primarily because I won't be able to post at all this weekend.

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Yeah, but I still don't think I am going to feel better about dC than Stanari or Fable, so, who am I kidding.
Going to mull over some thoughts w/r/t Fable just playing well over the day, but
a) it probably won't matter
b) I'll probably just vote dC anyway this evening.

 

I mean, if it's any consolation I'm in a pretty similar position so if we ARE both town we can have a good laugh about it afterwards ._.

(doubly so b/c if it's Fable then Reg is crying in deadchat right now)

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Hmm. Actually...

Suppose we ARE both known town, sell me on your scumread in that world? (I mean I know you've been poking at stuff all day, but like, summarize)

 

If I thought there was any chance of me dying overnight I might've argued for a no lynch at this point but I don't (unless which ever one of you it is feels safer with stanari in f3, if so lmk) so I know it'd just be putting off the inevitable.

I'm a little iffy about blab forcing the issue today but at the same time this game is exhausting and reading into it if he actually has time constraints feels dirty so meh. Stanari I've just crossed off completely so if it's her GGz and I'm thunderdoming her d1 next game we play together out of rage. dC I can see doing what he's done today as a wolf but the way he's done just feels kind of pure so if his plan was to AtE his way out of this it's working but with that said blab explanations reasoning for the things he's done just feels more logical which beats out AtE in my mind. I think I'm just gonna be stuck on dC and if that's wrong and it's blab then well shit sucks but there will be other games and I'll move on.

Still feels bad tho ;-;

 

I actually don't like blab's explanations for most of his behaviour. They're logical, but the sort of logical where it reads like a scum player made sure their scum-motivated actions had a good explanation.

Like. Reading Reg as 4scum "makes sense" but is also a great way to keep Reg around as a scumread without having to justify him not fitting onto teams in blab's worldview. The townbloc stuff "makes sense" but is also a good way to look town without committing to it. The lynch threads "make sense" but are also constructed in a way that prevents them from biting him in the ass. Considering Reg's case on me despite scumreading Reg "makes sense" but also creates the extra mislynch he needs.

Do you see where I'm going with this? At some point you have to realize that most or all of the stuff he's done in thread has been in service to his own survival. It has other goals ATTACHED, but it achieves the goal of "keep blab alive" too and with enough things like this a pattern should emerge. I should know, keeping my content consistent at all costs is like my scumplay hallmark, and it WORKS. I'll bus for no other reason than that it's the only consistent action with my current town persona, and it WORKS! There are huge incentives to do it even at high costs like that, and I think the worst blab's been pushed into was jumping onto Miner.

Plus there's stuff like proposing a townbloc including me on essentially non-existent reasoning, then removing me from it as soon as it's questioned. I don't care how much he says "that was just an example I was putting forward", he specifically SAID "I can explain each read if queried" which I don't think town would say unless they actually COULD. Like, he sat there and typed that sentence out either not bothering to consider whether it was actually true, or because it's the sort of thing town would put there. He writes it off as thoughtlessness but you can write anything off that way.

In summary, I fail to see how having logical town reasons for his actions precludes blab being scum. It's, like, scumming 101 to not do things that make no sense coming from town!you. To the point that I'd argue broad, incoherent play WITHOUT an overarching scum narrative (again, people keep insisting the narrative is "PoE myself and AtE out", I'll address this later but as an overall scum STRATEGY there's no reason to pick it over other options so ?????)

Also I hate to harp on this point over and over but why did I hardbus Waco start of D2? No-one was paying attention to him, like, at all at that point. Most of the attention CAME from me, and I don't even think he was particularly in trouble until that started happening.

and seriously

look me in the eye and tell me town posts this. Like, ever. This is so gross. It's three scumtells in one, and it just REEKS of scum!blab being pissed that I haven't fallen over like he was expecting. Go read Prettiest Princess again, where the last scum there (Alter Eagle) falls into pretty much exactly the same trap.

Oh also as a bonus you STILL haven't addressed why I set up this endgame for myself. Like everyone's making the "oh dC is AtEing his way out of this situation" but if I'm scum then I CREATED this situation! Like, go down the list in #3679 and explain why I didn't do each of the things I mention there. And if your only reason is "wine" then I mean I guess you can write off literally anything as wine so I'll argue all blab's behaviour is wine and we'll call it even. If it's "you played bad" then explain how I thought of all these things NOW but not earlier. If it's "those things wouldn't have helped" then I'll explain in detail how a given thing WOULD have produced a better endgame for me.

(side note: that post REALLY reads like you throwing in the towel, Fable :/. Like, c'mon, if I can muster up the energy to actually have a go today after completely fucking everything up at every OTHER point in the game you can at least become confident enough in your vote to own it >_>)

It's 12:39 and I should be asleep, so say something quick if you want to say it before we're a few hours from deadline. Still looking to see if I missed anything.

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ok also I did a thing on massclaim day where I yelled at Miner a whole lot and then completely forgot about it and did other things instead. Two questions about this:
- If I'm bussing, why did I not try to actually collect credit for it? Miner wasn't in notable danger before or after I did this thing, so it's not like I was trying to distract from other problems he was having or anything.
- If I'm not bussing, why the hell did I do it in the first place??

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oh okay here's another one:

This is inconsistent. Apparently a townread on pie from D1 is okay, but a townread on me from D1 is not?

also I'll reiterate: having an explanation for a thing that has scum motivation does not remove the scum motivation. His town shit has all been "safe" in that it has escape hatches and safeties to prevent it materially damaging him as a scum player. I'm not particularly willing to write this off as coincidence.

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He also feels like he's largely just letting people come to their own conclusions today because he knows in advance what those are going to be. Like, his play today is essentially:
- Self-defense
- Ruminating on how scummy I am
- Ruminating on how Fable and Stanari are definitely town

I haven't felt like he's ever been in a position where he's NOT leaning towards me, whereas everyone else has at least entertained the possibility in a way that doesn't immediately dismiss it. Like, find me a post considering either you or Stanari that doesn't end in "but they're less scummy than dC" or something similar to this. I'm reading backwards and have hit post #3621 and still nothing.

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(ok to be fair he talks about how Fable might be scum but he always seems to follow it up with "but not as scummy as dC" which was the point I was trying to make)

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also I think I feel for Reg now, because I have this funny feeling that this is all largely gonna get written off as AtE or whatever

But seriously. At least TRY to construct a coherent world where I'm scum and don't do any of the things I talked about. I really don't think it makes any damn sense.

Oh and if you don't care about being wrong like you say then just vote blab anyway :V

(seriously that's a sucky sentiment. I'm gonna be annoyed if I get run through due to apathy)

 

o_0

Stanari

St-stanari? Stanari! Help!

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It's gonna take a minute to get through all of this....

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Trying to find where dC first pressured waco and realized that if acio gave his double voting power to a wolf that's super lol.

 

goddamit I've linked it like three times already :V

It's here. Now it's 1:20AM and I have important things happening tomorrow so I am ACTUALLY going to bed and won't be in until three hours before deadline. Would appreciate not waking up ded, but if after all that everyone's completely deadset then I dunno if there's much point dragging out. Use your own judgment I guess.

Would vote, but I have this feeling that leaving a vote parked for 8 hours at MYLO might be a stupid idea regardless of the situation :v

 

Alright here's where dC first pressured waco (I'm getting the strangest feeling of deja vu like I did this already). 1083

Waco doesn't actually get mentioned much and the only real "waco is a wolf" comment is just from waco's vote on plotless which is fair cuz it was terrible but doesn't really come across as a hard bus. That being said I think dC was the first to vote waco and bring attention to him which is actually extremely relevant considering dC did have the double vote that day. Also the fact that he pressured other people into voting waco is also good 1115 (I swear I'm really feeling like I made this exact post before) and he argued for waco to be shot too (though at this point he kind of had to) 1173. Kind of wishing waco wasn't shot now because I'd really like to see if dC would have stuck with his waco vote because he did seem to be trying to get a jari wagon going too.

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Looking at blab from the same time period and there's no mention of waco from what I can see. He goes over his village read of Pien and the reason of "putting dC and Acio in your wolf pool is more likely to come from a villager" sticks out to me as kind of ???. 1110

1113 and 1124 are meh nothing posts. And then reads list and waco is at the bottom because idk? 1209

Though I will say putting cobalt down at the bottom too is kind of a ballsy thing for wolf!blab to do. It does bug the hell out of me that blab just ignores vaimes being a vig and never once suggests a shot or even acknowledges it.

 

[depressed laughter]
Fable
I'm here now dw

 

Going insane is more fun when there's someone going insane with you. \o/

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Also I don't remember what I was doing. ._.

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There was barely a reaction from blab after waco flips too. =/

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1501

And then a "cobalt is more like to be town" post right after he was correct on waco and he had cobalt right next to him in his reads?

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Stanari plz give thoughts cuz I'm about to cry in the corner cuz I don't understand this game anymore.

 

dC's posting is just so genuine (even though I am quite sure this is not AI) and blab's posting today is kinda tasteless.

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AORN leaning blab but haven't really read this page in full yet.

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Something something Cobalt readlist

 

IDK what that means?

 

IDK what I mean either.

 

Remind me to stab the shit out of you after this game no matter how this turns out. >.>

 

I will probably deserve it.

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I'm shiptoasting on my phone before class but I will endeavour to articulate some thoughts in the next five minutes!

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Reasons why dC is town:
- his play today has been downright bizarre if he's scum and I think his scumplay here is more agenda-y?
- lol Cobalt readlist reads

Not reasons why dC is town but still reasons I'm townreading him:
- that sweet pure tone

Reasons why dC is scum:
- I'm genuinely unsure he's done one unambiguously town thing this whole game

Reasons why blab is town:
- a couple of pretty pure posts to Cobalt

Reasons why blab is scum (maybe):
- Miner totally ignored him for like half the game
- scumteam feels like it was TMI-ing blabscum initially

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blab this is not what I meant by "be towny and pure"

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I read one of Miner's scumgames and he did interact with his buddies fairly liberally so idfk

 

I am in a bar to watch Germany vs. Mexico, and the wlan is kind of shit/congested?

I am not even sure what to respond to of dC's wall.

I will say, for future considerations, town can get really annoyed at scumreads on them too.

I cant even convince myself that Fable is scum and Sfanari is so town, so no, not going to be able to sell you on scum other than scum!dC. Guess that means I am ok with only winning against scum!dC.

Fable, I did give recommondations for vigshot, it's in my D2 wall.

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I am going to try my best to be towny and pure, but idk, I am just me, I doubt I'll ever manage to just ooze genuineness.

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Look, Fable, a) I am not lying about RL stuff.
b) I am not even sure how forcing the issue today would help me from ascum!blab perspective rn

 

I should be around during the entire run up to EoD but I will also be doing other stuff during some of that time. The last two hours or so of the day are reserved for this game though.

If Fable is scum I'm okay losing to him.

Both blab and dC fit the profile of early game deepwolf.
Fable
Can you look at Miner -> blab if you haven't already? Particularly on the day we lynched Miner which I think is D4?

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Do I detect a hint of CFTWR here or?