Well I'd argue that seeing as the last episodes of this season are based on "You-know-who" going "You-know-where" then that leaves a lot of time for Tyrion and Jaime to both be doing nothing. Gotta give the lads something to do.

 

asphyxia This is GoT. The whole point is (or used to be) that in reality nobody gets what they deserve, only what they create for themselves.

Even ignoring that, I dont think Cersei deserves anything more involved than a fatal slip or random arrow to the throat.

 

Re the strength of Jon's claim vs Dany.

(1) We all know R+L=J, but in universe few people even know of his true parentage; and approximately zero have proof. How could they? The people who could have credibly testified as to his birth (Rhaegar, Lyanna, Ned etc) are dead, once that's gone what's left? A crown shaped birthmark on his asshole? I think not. Against that, there is Daenerys Targaryen, whose lineage no man can doubt, and who has three full blown dragons beside - walking, living, fire-breathing proof that she is blood of the dragon, heir to Aegon the Conquerer.

(2) Even if it became widely known that Jon was Rhaegar's son, it doesn't matter. Dany's claim ultimately depends not on whose daughter she is, but that she has a big fucking army loyal to her, and three dragons. That is her claim - the ability to burn cities to the ground.

(3) This is the really important bit. The entire point of ASOIAF is that distributing political power based on whose vagina you crawled out of, is a horrible idea. Ultimately, if Dany has a good claim to become Queen, it is because she deserves it - that she cares for her people, overthrew slavery, has the strength to bring peace to the realm, etc et. And her claim is weak, it will be because of things like her inexperience at ruling, potential madness, and so on. None of it has to do with parentage per se. And as for Jon, politically he's nobody. He couldn't convince his own sworn brothers not to stab him in the back; how is he going to hold the Seven Kingdoms together?

tldr it doesn't matter who your daddy is

 

I deliver unto thee.

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Another thing I just noticed upon rewatching this, the Dothraki with Tyrion says "You're people can't fight." That kinda bugs the crap out of me, the Lannister army was caught off guard in territory that favored the enemy, outnumbered by a lot and Daenrys brought a dragon which is the equivalent of bringing an M1 Abrams to an elementary school slap fight. The only way the Lannisters could have won that is if the writers just said "fuck it, rocks fall Daenrys dies."

 

Yeah that bugged me at the time too. I reasoned it away by just thinking of that Dothraki as a savage with five year old's intellect and a gift for stabbing.

 

Dany has based so much of her identity on being the "rightful" heir of the Iron Throne that how she responds to Jon's claim is what I will find interesting.

At least in the books, Dany believes Targaryens have the right to marry multiple spouses. If a marriage ceremony is proven to have happened, Dany should at least internally acknowledge Jon as the legitimate heir, not herself. If she still holds a monopoly on dragons it might not matter what anyone else believes.

 

Of course, none of this really matters because they'll probably just get married.

 

Eh fair enough, I think what bugged me about it personally is the way they tried to play it. To me it came across as the show saying "Man, look how awesome Daenrys and the Dothraki are beating the Lannister army like this, they're just the best there is." The message that I got though was "So that's what happens when the deck is so weighted in your favor you need a forklift to move it."

 

You're reading too much into it. It was a boast from a bully whose mates just beat up a kid five years younger than them. Tyrion's reaction was way more interesting than the boast itself: Tyrion was that close from saying something like "Let's see you go against Dany and Drogon. Give my brother both hands and a fair fight, and he'll cut you to pieces".

 

You contradict yourself a little. If the birth doesn't matter then Jon's claim for the Iron Thrones, if he wanted it, is just as good as Dany's. For every single success she had, he had a similar one. For his every failure, she had plenty as well.

 

Oh Tyrions reaction was spot fucking on, I felt fucking horrible for him the whole time. You could watch his faith in his new Queen crumble every minute of the battle. His was not the face of someone who was pleased with the present situation, it was 100% "What the fuck have I done?" He might not give a shit about Lannister soldiers but Jaimie was the one person who always treated him with love and kindness his entire life and he was basically watching him commit suicide.

 

Imo, Tyrion didn't feel just for Jaime. Clearly watching his countrymen get slaughtered by foreigners and fucking dragonfire must have felt at least a little like 'Is this what all this has been for, then?'

That's how I interpreted his expression right after the Dothraki's comment, tbh.

 

Oh and I don't think you're wrong at all, I should have elaborated more on my post because one of the things I was trying to say was that Tyrion was watching this and going "Mountains of people are being incinerated instantly with literally no possible way to defend themselves and gods forgive me, I helped make it happen." It's one of the reasons I felt so bad for him, he's being taught yet again that the world does not have one single bright spot.

 

I think Tyrion understands probably the best of all characters what war is like, it's not like this is the first time his side has burned a lot of people alive in a battle. Also I think that he's been around Bronn enough to not to have any false ideas of "fairness" in a fight: if you are fighting a fair fight, you are doing it wrong.

Sure, Tyrion is shocked by the reality of the carnage just like Jaime is, but it's not really a surprise for him that war is ugly. And I think that's sort of what makes the dothraki comment so jarring for him: the dothraki doesn't have the decency to stay quiet in front of a scene like that.

 

Our points differ slightly. I don't think Tyrion was devastated at the realities or the carnage of war. I think he wouldn't have cared half, a third, or even remotely as much if these weren't his countrymen, in their homeland, being slain by foreigners and by his own leader's dragonfire.

 

Yeah, the scene did a really good job of showing that he finally realized the reality of what he signed up for: a brutal, all out war against his own countrymen and family, and I'm just not talking about Jaime. He's had to have had some cousins and uncles in the army he just wiped out and this is just the start. More of countrymen/women and family are going to be killed and raped in the near future.

Also, here's some pics that I found pretty funny.

 

I also want to post memes

 

More funny things from GoT.

Jon Snow gets to work.