It's a tone thing that's maybe also a mindset thing but I couldn't pin it out.

That's a poor angle iyam.
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Is this the one where we were comparing and contrasting her play with WH and...something about lack of paranoia, right?

I...actually haven't spent that much time evaluating her play, so uh.

 

There is no playstyle change?
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If you've only skimmed how can you move me down (or up)?
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Ok what am I doing now am I ISOing dya for her case on me or was there something else I said I'd look into first help remembering is hard

 

@Stanari - I think Yetis entire thing that starts from Post #3136 where she's going down the "How can anyone think my slots scum with Koalas" is a really weird angle for scum to be hyper focusing on given Koalas is town and probably someone that's going to get mslynched early on, there's not actually that much harm in people considering Koalas/Yeti for Scum!Yeti in if Koalas gets lynched and flips town then it's instantly proven to be untrue and if Yeti gets lynched then she potentially has a townie tied to her and lynched afterwards. Could make the argument that she was using it as something to 'do' in the thread but the sheer manner and frustration levels that came out felt like it was more a genuine "wtf?" type read. The attitude that sort of stemmed from it in Post #3731 comes across very genuine. Lots of her interactions and posts feel like her trying to actually get a feel for other players and sort their alignments, and inclined to think scum probably takes a different route when replacing in other than make as many waves as possible and throw the entire limelight on themselves; very much a body of work type of read with the caveat being that I've not liked the angles she's been poking during this day phase and thought her Vira read when looking back at it was a little weird.
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I'd moved you down before I went to bed based on your posting around daystart.

 

I'm actually kind of confused how anyone can downtrend me for SoD3 when I feel like I was gelled into the game much better than SoD2.
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Oh yeah dya does think I'm less paranoid here. One of my hallmarks is tinfoiling my top TRs or zany Big Play w/ws.

dya tell me who my top TRs this game ARE to be paranoid about lol. I don't have any firm town reads, I don't really know if I Trust-Trust anyone this game. I have town leans but there's nobody I'm like super "yeah you are town" this game.

Don't mistake this for intentionally leaving open the entire game as a PoE as scum. I just don't like anyone's play enough to drop a hard TR and even if people have pre-existing meta I cock my head when they are like "omg X so town calling it D1."

 

I didn't like that you'd decided to run with Fables opener re; wagon analysis in Post #4665 and felt like a busywork type place to be nor did I like the fact that you'd agreed with the Vira scum read but...did nothing about it? I didn't mind your comment re; Fonti in Post #4704 and Post #4714 at all and have you two as unaligned but if we're in a Fonti!Town world then I can see your comment being trying to redirect the attention from Vira to Fonti there.

Still think you're town here, just can see a world where what you've done SOD3 makes sense as mafia.

And that'll probably be my last post for 24 hours, blah.

I'm going to be super super disappointed if I come back and there's no more votes on Vira.

 

I've been SRing Vira since D2 - I feel like most of the posts about her meta and linking games were in response to me asking if she coasts as scum after a bunch of Vira whisperers hard TR her D1.
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Here are all the quotes dya mentions me (minus a couple I don't feel are her re: my alignment) - I know/think there are some missing that don't have "Yeti" in them.

I didn't quote the posts where she asks Jari/Fable/whoever else their opinions of me but want to point them out anyway as her attempting to crowdsource a read on me.

She hasn't really said anything about me at this point and votes my slot for SS's D1. However the second part is interesting because this isn't the first time she makes a connection to me and Koalas being w/w, but with me as the "if X is scum lynch Y" factor - and we know Koalas is town now. I'm still confused how anyone can think SS/Koalas were w/w but whatever.

About why she SRs my slot.

Again says her read on my slot is more with SS but here's the one "I think you're not as paranoid" read. She also replies to SR saying she thinks I may be mad I was caught for the wrong reasons.

WIFOM meta blah blah but I actually find it much harder to fake being angry as scum when I'm caught because deep down I know it's true. I got mad at Yraelz pushing some total bs lies against me because I knew they were both untrue and wrong, I was town. Similarly to here where I enter how I enter when I sub and get people going "omg scum for voting Cuth and entering like that" when it's like ?? and then getting called w/w with Cuth is just ?????

Another post where dya is trying to further her read on me but this goes nowhere because the one scum game TO link is Popcorn.

I asked her if that went anywhere with me linking both a sub-as-town game and scum game because I felt if dya was town and truly trying to sort me, she would look into them after directly asking for one, but she had never mentioned them on her own after I linked. Even to say "well I didn't find it very helpful because Popcorn" even though my solo carry that game is swole.

This is the second time dya will say that if my slot is a wolf, Koalas is also likely a wolf. This feels greatly like an attempt at setting up mislynch bait except I'm town so when I flip town, she can't... actually get Koalas mislynched by saying "look Yeti was a wolf go for Koalas now." Because I'll be town. So would wolf!dya try to set up this narrative knowing she won't get Koalas mislynched off a nonexistent w-flip by me?

This is quoting a fonti post that has me and dya in fonti's PoE. Not sure if this means dya SRs fonti? But does she think fonti and I could be bussing or did fonti also having me in her PoE make dya reconsider at all?

dya says she's been actively SRing me but I feel like at least half of her read is based on SS and it hasn't really advanced since D1. It's just this stagnant "yeah you are scum, I will vote you, but won't really get anyone else to vote you" yet she also genuinely looks like she's trying to solve my slot with the help of others. Not so much via interacting with me directly, though.

To me dya's SR on me is stagnant. If she genuinely thinks I'm scum she should try and go somewhere with it, if she doesn't, or if she wants more info first to decide, then she should flesh that out too. It just kinda exists because it's like, comfortable to keep having a SR on my slot? It's an "easier" PoE? I dunno.

Again if you think the absence of paranoia is suspicious, well, I don't have a towncore this game to be paranoid about. I know the rest of my game is the same because I am town again, believe it or not now, you either already know it as a wolf or will have it confirmed by this game's end at the latest.
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Someone is going to call that post hedgy because I point out I see something scummy (read stagnation) and towny (asking others about me like she asked people in WH iirc) I bet and to that I ask you to find a player who has ever done solely-scummy or solely-towny things.

 

Will be around in a bit, just popping in to tell @fontisian to keep the game in the game, please and thanks.

@Regfan I promise to actually read you and be fair about it.

 

I addressed the Vira thing but I feel like this criticism neglects the discussion I had with Fable et al about his wagon analysis. The post you specified is a summation of the possibilities surrounding Fable's claim that .113 is town because he thinks the rest of SR's wagon is town... after a bunch of real time interaction about how Fable's view could be right or wrong. Like if that was my ONLY post on the subject could it be busywork, sure, but with the rest of my posts I think calling it busywork is weird. It's just the conclusions possible from the discussion.

 

Quick Regfan meta dump, not sure if it's relevant anymore but it can't hurt.

I am absolutely not gonna go look over the games in question, but when I played against him as scum, I -almost- caught him D1 (he tried to townread a scumbuddy for dumb reasons), and I only really let him get away with it because he's a swell guy. And because he comes off as overly reasonable pretty much all the time. He bussed hard in that game, lynched a PR-buddy, and used that cred to coast to endgame. At that point I was like whee, Reg led a scum lynch, he's town, and well. Oops.

For scum!Reg, I'd keep an eye on him trying to chain lynches, having reads that don't make logical sense (or if they do, they seem to be sub-par, too easy, something like that), and if he seems super sure on a scumread that flips scum, don't 100% clear him for it, but I think everyone knows better than to do that anyways.

Whereas in his last (?) game here, uh whatever game it was where Fable wrecked everyone, he got a lot of flack for being wrong and kind of all over the place. Which isn't to say that "if Reg is wrong, townread him!" but like. He's got more depth going than that.

Hopefully that helps a tiny bit.

 

I'm scumreading fonti, too. As I've been saying for most of the game.

You may think my read on you is stagnant, but that just shows how little you've actually done. You're not paranoid about ANYONE. Last game, you had theories on why every little thing was wolfy. This game, you've got nothing.

And as for trying to set up mislynches, don't you think if I were a wolf I'd want to set up w/v instead? Setting up w/w and having one of you flip town is like really fucking dumb.
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I don't believe you're actually trying to solve my alignment, yeti.

 

Kiiind of a shallow read, but given that the scumteam is in a pretty good place right now, I'm gonna chalk up Regfan's effort levels from the get-go to be town-motivated.

Otherwise "hi my name is Reg and my team is winning, I'm gonna play catch-up for a few days here."

Anyway.

Like his entrance post, his town circle is pretty much the same as mine. I'm hesitant on them only because I haven't been as engaged in this game as I'd like to be, but I agree that Stanari/Yeti are town. Want to townread Newcomb and might just bite the bullet and do it.

I'm considering sheeping Reg's Vira case, given he was the one to catch her in WHwhatevernumber. I'm fairly confident he isn't bussing here for ~raisins~. And his point about Vira seeming more like she's waiting for lynches to happen rather than figure out alignments and push scumreads looks sound to me.

Unvote, vote Vira
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same tbh

I think foregoing reading and focusing on ISOs/realtime interactions is the way to go. 80% of the posts itt are copypasta, memes, or one-liners anyway.
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I miiight be townreading owner. I was hoping she'd been deliberately lurking and would be an easy/obvious scum lynch, but. She seems more relaxed than trying not to make waves.

So not really a townread, more of a wait and see read that I feel a tiny bit good about.

 

Feeling's mutual?

I even said I felt it would be a weird gambit for you as a wolf to do if you knew I would flip town. But again, Koalas flips town after you thought he would be a great place to go after me and there's no comment from you about if that makes me wolf still or town or what.

 

Random out-of-context votal time?

Random out-of-context votal time.

Koalas (8): Revenant, Vira, Jan, weiyaoli, Jarizok, Cuth, Fonti, dyachei
Revenant (7): .113, Stanari, Newcomb, Zack, Fable, tom, Vaimes
Vira (2): Yeti, Koalas
.113 (1): Miner
Zack (1): owner

Abstaining (1): Tsaiah

I'm only really posting this to give me a trail to follow. And to raise the question as to whether or not people think Yeti/Miner/owner/Tsaiah are all town? If all the mafia piled onto the main wagons?

I'm leaning town on Yeti and very lightly townreading Miner and owner. I know literally nothing about Tsaiah except that they use the xD emoticon sometimes, and even then I might be getting them mixed up with someone else. That's my next project, I guess.

Already ISO'd owner and didn't get a ton out of it. Read some of Yeti's posts and came away feeling town. Miner I just sort of slotted and haven't looked back.

I think it'd be hilarious if the scumteam was literally Vira/wei/Jarizok/Cuth/font/dya.
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Gonna go do non-mafia things for a bit, will check back in before bed.

Reminder to myself to ISO wei and tsaiah.

 

REAL BIG QUESTION:

A lot of people are SRing Vira or willing to vote her today.

Is she another town mislynch, is she scum and mostly-towns are pushing/voting her, or is she scum and being (heavily) bussed?
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Vaimes who do you think the scumteam actually is?

I feel like you've gotten meta TRs by your whisperers but I haven't seen much to like cause I feel like I rarely see you post.

So talk with me about if you genuinely are SRing the people you think are scum on the Koalas wagon, or is it just "wouldn't it be funny if" about the survivors on that wagon?

Also tom started the Vira CFD. Possible reason why tom was killed?

Did anyone else vote on the CFD or am I the last survivor of it?
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Has owner posted today?

 

On the bright side, my slot is basically cleared!

Though to be honest, this game hasn't at all gone the way I'd have liked re: my play, and I've been coasting a lot harder than I like and/or deserve. Lesson learned, sit out of big DLP games, moving on.

Are a lot of people scumreading her? Is anyone besides Reg even pushing her?

I honestly have no idea re: the scumteam. I'm fairly confident that my townreads are correct, few as they may be. The "wouldn't it be funny" thing is mostly a joke, but I can see a world where the scumteam would vote together as a form of distancing. It really depends on how the votes went down, and uh, searching this thread kind of sucks so I'm probably not going to do it.

There really isn't any reason for the scumteam to bus here, except to get townread because "oh the scumteam wouldn't bus here" but that's not something worth worrying about right now. I don't think Vira has gotten enough attention that looks like bussing, but I'm a bit out of touch and haven't seen a recent votal.
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Like if you want a story about how the game has progressed because the scumteam is made up of x, y, and z players, I'd guess that they're perfectly fine with the way things have gone. No real waves have been made that suggest scum interference imo.

Recent games have made me think that lynches need to be less consensus and more spicy to actually net scum, as in focusing more on the "yeah this guy is kinda town but I also wouldn't be super shocked if he flipped scum?" reads rather than the "lol this guy is obvscum, kill kill kill" since that obviously hasn't worked out so far. Which is incredibly difficult simply because we need to consolidate and compromise on votes, which means the more obviously scummy people are gonna get killed.

I went off into theoryland for a bit, but given that people haven't like, gleefully piled onto Vira, I think it's worth exploring and pushing.
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Someone feel free to slap me if I'm completely making shit up re: recent activities itt because I've only been quickskimming. Reg's case on Vira was relatively recent, and I know she was kiiinda floating on the edge of the towncircle before so I doubt there's been a lot of votes on her.
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owner hasn't posted in a couple of days. Hopefully she's getting caught up, dunno if she decided to dump her real-time quoting or if she's scum and doesn't want to rock the boat.
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Last time owner was scum on DLP and came under heavy suspicion, she began to deliberately lurk to avoid linking herself to buddies, so. Keep an eye on that.

 

I don't really care what happens anymore but Reg trying to bully his way to making this Vira lynch happen is wrong and I'm going to stop it.....somehow.

 

I wouldn't call it "bullying."

 

Do you think Yeti is town?

 

I could honestly go either way on her and I do see what you're talking about with the lack of tinfoiling but I wouldn't ride or die on that alone.....uuuuuuuhhhhhh.....don't take this the wrong way but you have wolf read her every time we've played together so are you really sure this time?

What do you think about owner? I really think she's a wolf and if we lynch her and she flips the way I think she will that could really help clear Vira.

 

She came around to TRing me in WH so don't count her out.

What's your connection between wolf!owner and town!Vira? I don't like either slot personally and for similar reasons - I think when they make quotewalls with responses/questions those don't go anywhere and are just filler responses trying to look like they're doing something.

I feel like I'm in a weird spot of seeking out meta when I spot something weird (Koalas GH tunnel, Vira coasting D2) but also not being willing to toss my lot in solely off those reads? Which maybe was my mistake not listening to Koalas' self-meta but like... nobody else really wanted to engage with me on that point. I even got shaded for asking it again.