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Is Harry/Tonks relationship morally wrong?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Don, Aug 3, 2017.

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  1. Grenn

    Grenn Banned

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    I registered for the promise of beta chapters of the site's namesake. Never been back before this autumn.

    I'm getting increasingly disenchanted with the self proclaimed 'civilized countries' lately. The level of bullshit is overwhelming.
    I live in Russia. We try to not reverse genders.
     
  2. Snobbish Wizard

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    Well, that explains a lot, not that it makes up for you being so misogynistic that you go full circle and say a woman can’t be a rapist even if she has sex with a literal child.
     
  3. MuggsieToll

    MuggsieToll Seventh Year

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    Why?

    Well that explains some of your disenchantment I guess. There's a reason the phrase 'and then things got worse' pops up in Russian history a lot.

    You do know that a lot of the things you were told about the West were Commie propaganda, right?

    Annnnnnnnnd that explains the rest of it.

    Holy fuck dude. You're a simp for rapists, a misogynist, and a transphobe. It's like you've been training for the 100m Can I Be The Biggest Cunt Possible Dash.
     
  4. Psychotic Cat

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    Funnily enough, the civilized world is sick of Russias bullshit too.
     
  5. Grenn

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    Seriousy, do you even listen? Looks like you just tear every passing joke for taboo tokens to proclaim me wrong apriori.

    Maybe I was vague. Here's the two ideas that don't let me agree with you:

    First, in moral (not legal) sense, rape is unconsensual. Period. If a hormone crazy teenager manages to talk an adult woman into something, it's not "forced", or "made to". One idiot went for it, another one let him. It's a crime, obviosly, since the boy hasn't reached the the age of consent (which varies quite radically across states and time periods).

    But there's law, and there's life. That's the second thesis. It's unhuman to report the second idiot and turn her l life into ruins.
    These are my morals. Your collective opposition for me looks surprising and despicable.

    And yes, if it were a girl and man, it would be different. The guy would be killed in prison probably. Not reverse genders, remember?
     
  6. Snobbish Wizard

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    You don’t seem to realise that the equality of sexes applies in every way and does not make exceptions. This applies to sexual intercourse and rape. A situation that would be considered rape for a man applies for a woman as well. Reversing genders is very much a thing that must be done.
     
  7. DarthBill

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    I'm pretty sure by "reverse genders" he meant a general "treating men as women and women as men" thing. Like, a completely different philosophy than the modern equality between the sexes that is prevalent in western culture. Not just a "no reversing the genders in this specific scenario because then my argument doesn't hold up" thing.

    Grenn, don't take my clarifying what I think your point is as an agreement, by the way. Children cannot consent to sex, regardless of their gender, whether legally or morally. Adults are expected to be able to apply enough reason to any situation to be able to refuse a child unprotected sex when they ask for it. If the girl in this case could not do that, then yes, she deserves legal punishment.
     
  8. MuggsieToll

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    You, your morals, and the culture that raised you to believe these morals are dogshit. That's my thesis, and your words are proof. So you can quit with the Jordan Peterson/Ben Shapiro hypotheticals and thesis and other obfuscation, you are not convincing anyone with your dogshit apologetics and psuedo-intellectual nonsense.

    Yeah, people with dogshit morals and dogshit characters generally don't like it when they get called out. Sorry, but that is life.

    No, our response isn't baffling. What baffling is you continuing to defend a child rapist.

    Transphobes have two jokes and neither of them are funny.

    Can we get a mod in here or something? A dummy account openly supporting child rape has to be a violation of forum rules.
     
  9. Grenn

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    Dear moderator, please take a note that this person is going out of their way to insult me, my culture and ethnicity.



     
  10. MuggsieToll

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    Lol, imagine playing the victim after defending child rape.
     
  11. TheWiseTomato

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    Man it's wild how with everything Russia has done lately, you still manage to make me think even more poorly of you.
     
  12. Nazgoose

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    LOL defending child rape and then hiding behind "I'm Russian and this is just my culture plz tolerate".

    I don't think that's gonna work out the way you think it's gonna.
     
  13. Giovanni

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    TIL that child rape is Russian culture. That certainly explains a few things.

    Also @MuggsieToll, doing something vile and then crying about it when people react is an integral part of being Russian.

    As for the actual topic of this thread. Tonks is a cop who volunteers for a paramilitary organization. Harry is a child who doesn't understand why people concerned about him being murdered took away his broomstick to make sure it wasn't sent to assassinate him. They are not the same.
     
  14. Otters

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    You can think of Tonks as the equivalent of a fully equipped Ukrainian soldier who's gone through both basic training and puberty, and Harry as the underage Russian conscript without any training or bullets and only two pubes, both of which are on his chin.

    If that helps to contextualise it for your culture.
     
  15. Irene

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    You have my attention but maybe not quite the result you hoped for.

    Pedophilia is not tolerated here.
     
  16. aAlouda

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    These are wizards, the obvious solution to problematic age gaps is to remove the age gap. Just have Tonks transform to be Harry's age or have Harry drink Aging potion.
     
  17. Agayek

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    That... Doesn't make it any better.
     
  18. Microwave

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    this is the most aalouda answer
     
  19. aAlouda

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    Assuming the brain is affected, why wouldn't it?
     
  20. Agayek

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    Because a) the brain isn't effected, otherwise Tonks would think she's someone else when she morphs into them and aging potions did nothing to the twins, and b) because the problem isn't the physical differences, but the mental and emotional maturity differences
     
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