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The Wise Man's Fear by Patrick Rothfuss

Discussion in 'Books and Anime Discussion' started by Joe, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. Styx0444

    Styx0444 Minister of Magic

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    Kvothe seems to be able to name things easier when he uses his lute. That sounds kinda ridiculous, but in WMF, didn't he find Felurian's name that way?

    Could Denna be the Princess? It's an idea that struck me earlier. Admittedly she would probably have more money if she were, but if she ran away for some reason... besides, we have no idea what her real name is. She seems to favor names that begin with the letter 'D', but that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

    Has anyone else noticed that in the present, the name 'Kote' is always used for the innkeeper until he's about to tell the story or has just finished telling it? Seems like that might be more evidence that his Name has changed. Especially when you consider the scene where the innkeeper fights the soldiers, he's winning against the first one, but then he hesitates and gets his ass kicked. He says something along the lines of 'Forgot who I was there for a second'.
     
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    Who else has noticed that characters occasionally talk in rhyming iambic pentameter? I've only noticed this happening between Kvothe and Denna. I thought I might also have seen it once in Kvothe's admissions interview but I can't find it. A few times K and D have been quoting from a play they both know (e.g. Daeonica) but other times it appears to be extemporaneous. Is this a cutesy quirk of their rapport, or a breadcrumb leading somewhere? I don't have the energy to pull out all of their verse lines to see if they make a complete poem of their own, but that would be an obvious application of it.
     
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  3. Exile

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    Does anybody know if there is a map of the University? I've been piecing one together from a few images and the literature. Google doesn't seem to have one, but I thought I'd ask on here as well.
     
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    I haven't heard of one, but it would be great if you could post whatever you're able to come up with.
     
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    There's only this:

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    Behind Rothfuss is half a map, but better than zip, yeah.
     
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    Awesome t-shirt is awesome.

    Also, that rhyming thing happened while he was with Felurian as well. It was sneaky at first; I had to go back to see how long it had been happening. :b
     
  7. Sigurd

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    I noticed the rhyming thing, but it looks like that's how Kvothe flirts.

    As to the music helping him name: anyone else immediately think of Felix Castor?
     
  8. Styx0444

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    It's possible that that's just a quirk of Rothfuss's writing style and doesn't really mean anything. About half the stuff I write ends up with accidental verse in places. Not particularly likely, since he's a fan of subtle things like that, but something to be considered.
     
  9. GrandHighPoobah

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    I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet or if it's even relevant, but has anyone remarked on the similarity of Haliax and the man who stole the moon, Iax? I know it seems kind of inane, but there's also the mention of the phases of the moon above Haliax's head on the pottery from Trebon. Just throwing it out there.
     
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    I decided to do some investigation, and I found a quote from NotW which invalidates that theory:

    This is from the story Skarpi tells in Tarbean. Since Iax is referred to distinctly from Lanre, and we know that Lanre is Haliax, the logical conclusion is that Lanre is not Iax.
     
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    I remember someone mentioning that copper might hold a special place in this Universe.

    Doesn't copper burn with a blue flame?
     
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  12. Styx0444

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    Nah, copper burns green. Interesting thought, though.
     
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    Green flame, not blue.

    Edit: Styx beat me to it...
     
  14. Exile

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    Ninja'd. Haha

    Oh and copper comes up quiet a bit in the stories. Solid copper door outside Elodin's cell at Haven, along with copper wires in the walls. There are copper plates on the four plated door in the archive. And lastly the copper lock on Kvothe's thrice locked chest. I'm sure there are a dozen other examples too.
     
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    Perhaps if you'd bothered to read, oh I don't know, my next sentence, you'd have noticed that I mentioned how depsite it's similarities to NotW (most notably the parts of the tale set in the Arcanum) it feels like a different sort of story. Of a more assured Kvothe making his mark on the world rather than beginning to come into his own as he was in NotW. Also shut up.

    Now having just re-read both books one thing is really bothering me. When Kvothe meets up with Denna in Trebon whilst on the trail of the Chandrian, and they both head off into the hills to investigate the site of the wedding, Kvothe brings up his suspicion that the Chandrian were responsible for the deaths. The rotted wood, rusted iron and blue flames etc seem to convince Denna that the Chandrian had something to do with it, or at least that Kvothe isn't completely mad to suggest it.

    However when Kvothe and Denna have their blowout over Denna's song about Lanre in Severen, when Kvothe says that "Lanre became one of the Chandrian. You should be careful. Some stories are dangerous." she dismisses him and accuses him of being a child.

    Was this just a bit of authorial oversight? Or does it have something to do with Denna or her patron being involved with the Chandrian? Personally I'm beginning to suspect the patron, the unexplained circumstances about him calling Denna to peform at the doomed wedding are slightly too suspicious when considering the song she wrote.

    Thoughts?
     
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    There's definitely grounds for suspicion, although it can also be explained by her being scared at Trebon, as opposed to pissed off.
     
  17. Styx0444

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    Perhaps if you'd bothered to interpret, oh I don't know, my general tone, you'd have noticed that I was joking. Calm down and quit responding to mild taunts made more then a week ago. I had completely forgotten it, and your inner child is showing. :facepalm

    I wondered about that too. You could attribute it to her being scared and wanting to spend more time with Kvothe, but that doesn't explain away everything.

    My biggest problem with the entire farm thing, is if Denna's patron is so secretive, why did she expect to be able to find him with Kvothe tagging along? And if she didn't expect to find him, why did she say she was going to go looking for him before Kvothe told her he was heading that way?
     
  18. Exile

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    She admits later she knew her patron was safe, having met up with him after he checked out the situation at the farm. Her excuse to go to the farm first off was to rescue her things, spare clothes and lyre. But she lies about her patron to spend more time with Kvothe in the woods, or so it is assumed by Wil and Sim

    As to why she brushes off the comments of her song even after the events of Trebon, I think there is also something to be said about the argument they have. In her anger I really think she is just trying to hurt Kvothe, and that is a rather easy way to do it. His age, his heritage and his financial situation are always raw spots with him.

    Also, I'm finishing this map of the University and was hoping to get some input. I'd like to locate/mark Anker's, Cruciable (sp? the chem/alchemy building) and maybe the whipping post. I know Kvothe's second whipping is in the House of the Wind, but I thought the first one was else where. NOTE: This is an unofficial map. Hopefully it's close. I pulled together several different images from the web and details from the book. Mains is pretty rough, and I'm sure there are more buildings due east and south of Mains. Thoughts and critics appreciated. It's a rough pic, hopefully I'll have a scanner available soon. If nothing else, let's hope Rothfuss is so offended by this rough estimation that he sends out an official one.

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  19. Styx0444

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    I guess that explains it, but something about that just strikes me as off.

    Yeah, that was my take there as well. He hurt her pretty badly, and Trebon or not, she would do everything she could to see his reasons as petty.
     
  20. thebigporp

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    Theory...........

    1. There is a part in the book when Kvothe and Elodin are talking and kvothe mentions something about changing there name and Elodin freaks out.

    Now what i believe is Kvothe has not just changed his name to Kote as an alias i reckon he has CHANGED his name to KOTE hence the reason why he has no power or magic anymore.

    2. The locked box at the foot of his bed i believe has his name trapped in it Kvothe and needs to unlock it to get his name back

    thoughts?