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Plot Bunny Thread V2

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Antivash, Apr 20, 2011.

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  1. ficfan

    ficfan First Year

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    Give it to you to come up with something like this. Thanks a lot for the link, Joe.

    Harry Patil? :cool:
     
  2. Castiel

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    Tom Marvolo Riddle died at an early age, killed by a few of the bullies at the orphanage.

    Harry James Potter goes to Hogwarts with his parents both alive. At the end of his fourth year, the day after the triwizard tournament, he is celebrating the victory of his friend Cedric Diggory when a wizard (in the body of a muggle living in Little Hangelton) calling himself "Lord Voldemort" attacks him.

    You decide what happens next.

    What is this mind fuckery???

    CANON

    When Voldemort does the ritual to make his body at the end of fourth year, his already unstable souls are unable to co-exist, so they get ejected to 6 parallel dimensions.

    What is more?
    These souls are connected to each other. Which causes these 6 parallel worlds to have an open connection. People involved in accidental or incorrect apparitions start turning up in different worlds. Some of the bigger/better magic users are able to sense these openings and the ICW is called to contain them before havoc ensues.

    Among all this are 6 Voldemort(s?) or different mental ages (depending on when their corresponding horcrux was made), knowing little about the world's they inhabit.

    I knew I had more ideas but I can't remember.

    So, thoughts?
     
  3. ASmallBundleOfToothpicks

    ASmallBundleOfToothpicks Professor

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    Sounds lulzy. Do it.
     
  4. Juggler

    Juggler Death Eater DLP Supporter

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    First off, why did the Triwizard Tournament even happen? Keeping in mind that there were no dark times in this timeline (thanks to Voldemort being dead), either I could see the tournament happening before Harry's at school at all, or when he left/at a later time. There's no reason for it to still happen in his fourth year, unless you explain away with OCs that it was going to happen that year even if all the people Voldemort killed were still alive.

    A wizard 'in the body of a muggle from Little Hangelton'? Sounds fairly useless, as well as contrived. Muggles have no magic, and I can't think of a single reason why Tom, even if he somehow survived by smashing his soul into a muggle (???), would take up the name of Voldemort. Tom's ego was stroked for five years of Hogwarts before he had the courage to think up a different name.

    However, the premise does sound interesting, and can be done well with relatively few handwaves. I just have no idea why a reincarnated Tom Riddle would attack Harry Potter, when the two have had exactly zero interaction.
     
  5. Jormungandr

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    The Butterfly Effect from there being no major 'civil wars' post-Grindelwald (the 'First Wizarding War', especially) would essentially change everything we know about the series and the universe in general.

    Hell, there's a good chance that many of the characters born after the divergence (Riddle being killed) wouldn't actually be born. And, if by some miracle, James and Lily were born and by another miracle, they did get together, who's to say that Harry as we know him (black hair, green eyes) would be born?

    Hell, James and Lily could give birth to a red haired, brown eyed boy, or a black haired, green eyed girl.

    You'd essentially have to create an OC-universe, with a whole host of OC's.
     
  6. Scrib

    Scrib The Chosen One

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    The Triwizard tournament had nothing to do with Voldemort. It was cancelled long before him because of in-game deaths and brought back to increase international cooperation.
     
  7. Grubdubdub

    Grubdubdub Supreme Mugwump

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    I think readers will be able to suspend disbelief and take it as granted that "true love" will find a way no matter the circumstances. Also, there is no reason Harry wouldn't be born exactly as in canon - you don't have to conform to the butterfly effect cliche, you know...

    The bunny is somewhat interesting. Harry fighting Voldemort in all 6/7 dimensions even more so.
     
  8. Jormungandr

    Jormungandr Prisoner

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    Theory, not cliche.

    Honestly, I think it would just end up being drawn out and a pain to read/write.
     
  9. Portus

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    First of all, your grammar is atrocious. A good thing to remember is that proof-reading is your friend. Perhaps English isn't your first or even second language, but it seems to me to be more a lack of effort than a lack of familiarity.

    Now, on to your post's content.

    Basing any assumptions on the trailer for a movie we already know is taking enormous liberties... Reasoning: You're doing it wrong.

    What? Broad generalization is broad, yo. While it's true that, say, al Quaida doesn't seek to take over the US gov't, the fact that "terrorism" is such an ill-defined term (thanks, Joe) means that in many cases, a group labeled as terrorists might be better defined as "freedom fighters," "revolutionaries," ad nauseum. The Taliban, now often labeled as "insurgents," certainly would like to re-take the Afghan gov't, as their ideology includes again spreading Islamic law to the country, something they (absurdly) believe to be a good thing.

    One needs only to look at the "Revolution" in Cuba, the FARC in Colombia, and the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka to see groups performing truly reprehensible acts in pursuit of gaining political power, overthrowing a current regime, carving out their own autonomous geographic region, etc.

    Honestly, how am I to take you seriously about canon events when you haven't bothered to read them? It's pretty clear from context clues and hints that people either fell in line because they bought into the ideology (Umbridge, anyone?), were under the Imperius Curse (Thicknesse), were in fear for their lives or that of their families (Xeno Lovegood, the maintenance guy whose wife was on trial), or they were stupid enough to not realize anything was amiss (Hopkirk, perhaps? I'm sure there were a few).

    It's got potential, in a "Dimension-Hopping for Beginners"-taken-seriously kind of way. Isn't that similar to the plot of Over the Horizon?

    You're misunderstanding the plot bunny here. What DarkDeoxys is setting up is a soul fragment from the canon Voldemort being ejected into an AU where Tom Riddle died early on. His soul fragment takes over Tom Riddle Sr. (?), and goes off to continue earlier plans without knowing what's gone on is this AU. Just because this AU-Harry is clueless doesn't mean the LV-fragment doesn't remember his own history.

    Just 'cause Muggles have no magic doesn't mean one couldn't use it with LV's soul inside. After all, LV performed (some) magic just fine when he was a wraith, and even more when he was in that scaly-baby-husk-thing in GoF.

    True, there would likely be some butterfly effect, but while it would be great to see a fuckton of well-made OCs, a simple hand-wave will satisfy all but the most dickish of complainers. :-\

    You don't need to look any further than enembee's Skitterleap to see a far more massive AU shearing off from the canon timeline around the same point, and AFAIK, no one was like, "But why is Harry even alive and black-haired and meeting Krum and Diggory!!"
     
  10. Castiel

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    A lot of points addressed, a lot of them answered.

    Now on to response,

    Juggler

    As someone pointed out, the tournament was blocked due to deaths and started for increase in international co-operation.

    The riddle that attacks Harry is the one that was IN HIM (his scar), that got ejected, so he knows all the shit.

    "Muggles don't have magic", gimme one source in canon that says that.

    You can justify the sudden attack by two things, either being simply pissed off because he thinks his counter-part's plan to-resurrect failed or because that Voldemort figured out some of WTF was happening and I tried to take advantage of it. He could not contain boasting. ("I am Lord Voldemort, Kneel and you shall live.")

    Jormungandr
    As someone said, Skitterleap, add to that list almost all other Harry travels to other dimension fic.

    Portus
    I think you got it a little wrong. Not my plot bunny, but his question. He is like, how the hell does locket Voldemort knows who Harry is?

    I already explained above why the specific Voldemort does what he does. The others might react differently.

    And there CAN NOT be worlds where Harry isn't alive, maybe you can make him a squib in one (I said maybe, don't do that, I will kill anyone who does that.) and maybe he is son of different people.

    Each soul gets a corresponding Harry, to the pair of which the prophecy stands true.

    One Harry's doesn't want to help, one is in coma or maybe one is a girl?. I don't know, make up some shit.

    And to the guy who asked me to write this, do you really want a guy who has never written anything to try and do this and eventually fuck it up.

    I'll tell you, NO, you do not, my friend.

    And Portus, what is Over the Horizon?

    EDIT: List of people I hope would do this,

    Joe

    Others can try too :|
     
  11. Styx0444

    Styx0444 Minister of Magic

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    ...I'm not sure you understand what this thread is for...
     
  12. Castiel

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  13. Styx0444

    Styx0444 Minister of Magic

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    This is the thread you use for posting your plot bunny, working out issues with it, and discussing it to find out what the general consensus is or any flaws you may have missed. You can also say that you have no intention of writing it yourself, just tossing it out there. But it's not the 'oh hai guyz could you please write my story?' thread.

    That said, it's entirely possible I misunderstood what you were saying, since I replied just a bit after I woke up.
     
  14. Castiel

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    Nevermind, then. I do actually want someone to write this story. But first I thought we can remove all and any flaws. I answered most of the ones that were posted.

    Moar?
     
  15. Qilin

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    Muggle = non-magic person. It's probably mentioned somewhere in most of the books, but the point that I'm remembering is when Harry asks Hagrid what one is in the first book.

    That aside, I doubt it would prevent Voldemort from figuring out a way around it or taking over a wizard later-ish? If he survived. It would be kinda funny if the Riddle's gardener showed up and tried to attack Harry with a shovel.

    How cognizant are the Riddle soul pieces? Rather than mental ages you could have them range in ability to use/commune with its host by the point made.

    Still on mental age, were you thinking, knowledge - older is better, or crazy - younger is better?

    Which horcruxes were going to be used?

    Seven all total counting Harry, but you mention six. So either you aren't counting Harry or the diary (which seems more likely as it was destroyed).

    Probably a stupid idea, but you could have the fragments pick up some 'carry over' from the objects they were in. The founders pieces probably wouldn't do anything, but the snake, the ring, and Harry's might react differently. The ring would depend on how powerful you make the Resurrection Stone. I'm not sure just how you'd use it this way, and if whoever? writes this decides that diademcrux relays extra knowledge it, it would backfire horrendously.

    Another possibly horrible idea, but ringcruxVoldemort might be more inclined to create an inferi army or something.

    The snake one could act a bit loopy though - giving one dimension an easy win could help explain what the fuck is going on.Using your first example- how a muggle got to Hogwarts, tried to kill a random student, and why there appears to be a duplicate person in said dimension.

    For added lolz, still in your first AU, you could have Cedric's dead body from canon appear as AU Cedric is portkeyed into the winning spot near the crowd; who knows? Maybe canon Harry didn't have the best grip on Cedric's corpse when he portkeyed out of the graveyard.
     
  16. Grubdubdub

    Grubdubdub Supreme Mugwump

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    Magic is implied to originate from the soul, not body (Harry being a Parselmouth being an example). If Voldemort soul inhabits a muggle's body, then he can still do magic.
     
  17. Portus

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    Except when Rowling tried to say it was "genetic," a ridiculous attempt to pretty up her hand-wave through pseudo-science, or rather, the attempt to use science she knows fuck-all about to explain the unexplainable. Honestly, when she admits she's terrible at math, she ought to realize that trying to incorporate genetics is a bad idea.
     
  18. Jormungandr

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    Guess many extrapolations could come from those two 'explanations', then.
     
  19. Aekiel

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    Magic may be passed on genetically, but it's a definite ON/OFF switch as to whether you have it or not. Muggles can't do magic, it's why they're called muggles. Wizards can, which is why they're wizards. This isn't difficult logic to follow.
     
  20. Castiel

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    I was gonna say the same thing about magic coming from soul but I did not have anything to back it up, thanks there Grubdubdub.

    I had heard about magic being genetic but I did not know Rowling started that. It isn't in the books is it?
     
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