Uh... River Song (back when she was awesome)? You're welcome.

 

River Song was never awesome, she was just a bit less shit.

 

Oh look.... more Daleks that escaped the Time War. How surprising.

 

Does this bother anyone else? My knowledge of the original series is limited but whenever they showed up in the 2005 series, it kept being mentioned that it should be impossible for any of them to be around. But they kept coming back even when the Doctor repeatedly went genocide on them. And now their continued appearances are just accepted as fact.

It confuses me.

 

Well, every since Victory of the Daleks it was established that Daleks are back in the Universe. And I think I saw these new colored Daleks on the ship, so I'm assuming it's them.

But that reminds me of a different thing. Is it possible for the Doctor to meet other Time Lords who traveled in time before the Time War?

 

They're all Time Locked, stuck in the Time War.

 

But what happens if there was a Time Lord who traveled in time to 2012 ten years before the Time War? His presence there was erased after the Time Lock and the Doctor can't meet him?

 

Spoiler

I didn't realize that Oswin was the new companion until I read this thread after watching it. I enjoy the episode a lot more in retrospect now. It's a great episode if it's to introduce the new companion in advance, otherwise its just an above average filler episode.

 

I'm not talking about the daleks on the ship. They clearly were created by the 'new daleks'.

I'm talking about the ones in the Asylum. How did they survive The Moment?

 

Well, it's debateable, but my theory is that this is in the future.

Seeing as we left the new Daleks in the 1940's, and the people we see are most certainly not from the 20th century, I think that the Daleks have had time to build an entirely new empire and The Asylum.

 

Spoiler

Maybe, but the Daleks in the intensive care unit were survivors of past encounters with the Doctor. Spiridon (Planet of the Daleks), Aridius (The Chase), Kembel ("Mission to the Unknown" and The Daleks' Master Plan), Vulcan (Power of the Daleks), and Exxilon (Death to the Daleks).

Which would mean they traveled to a pre-Time War era.

Ugh. The timey-wimey is hurting my brain.

 

Yeah, but everybody else in this thread seems to like her. I was going with them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants

And Moffat's been name dropping to win me back. It's not going to work. Also, in the poster, you can discern some old-school Daleks.

And apparently, there's a

Spoiler

Dalek Parliament?

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKING GOD DAMN SHIT JESUS CHRIST MOTHERFUCKING FUCK

THEY'RE AN EMPIRE GODDAMMIT

 

I thought that everyone didn't like her. Though I haven't been reading this thread since her early appearances.

 

Well, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that majority think that she was an interesting character at first, but it went downhill when Moffat became the showrunner. After that there was nobody there to stop him from making her a rather annoying Mary Sue.

Then again that's also my opinion so I may be biased.

 

Personally, I like her as a character, but I'm hoping that her plot relevance is going to be dialled down from now on. Bring her back for random craziness? That's cool. Have her be the integral point of a series long plot? No thanks.

On the subject of the Asylum and the Time War, the assumption I'd always had was that the Moment had sucked up all the Time Lords and Daleks and locked them in place around Galifrey. As far as I can see though, nothing has ever definitively said what the Doctor did to stop the War; it's entirely possible that because they were all trapped on the Asylum with no way of getting off, the War (and by extension the Moment) bypassed them completely.

Alternatively, my girlfriend has suggested that it's something to do with the TARDIS exploding and the subsequent galactic/temporal reboot changing things. I don't particularly like that idea, but it could be the case.

 

In that case does that mean we're liable to see the occasional timelord floating about?

Personally I quite enjoyed the episode and while the Dalek Parliament threw me off a bit, I just attributed it to being an aspect of the new race of Daleks, after all they do seem to be doing their damnedest to ensure that any Dalek that was part of the old order is wiped out or before the Asylum, imprisoned.

Also it strikes me that the Daleks aren't commonplace, the only reason the Companion knew who they were was in fact due to the fact that she probably fought them. Then again, Daleks have that whole, "Exterminate" bit going on, so I don't know why they would ever just wait around with enough firepower to destroy everyone.

And one last point, do we know that the death of the companion is a time-locked event? Isn't it possible that the Doctor be able to save her life, it could lead to quite the interesting crux, either choose between allowing the Daleks to remember the Predator or let one of his own die. Oh and the whole Amy and Rory bit, was anyone else wondering how long it would take him to pull the "I waited 2000 years" card, it's kind of the best way to win all the arguments.

 

The Asylum was completely automated though; none of them would have been used during the Time War, so assuming the Moment doesn't function like some sort of temporal hoover, they weren't anywhere near Galifrey when the War finished.

 

So we've all watched it now, yes? No?

Tough.



:awesome

 

Well, other than the crazy Time Lords (ie. The Doctor, the Master, the Mara, the Meddling Monk and Drax) all of the 'normal' ones were stuck up cunts who never really wanted to leave their own planet. But if the writing's any indication, yeah we'll see tons.

Uh, Daleks used to come in one flavour, and everything that wasn't Dalek was supposed to be exterminated, or that's how it used to be. Then in 1985, they broadcast "Daleks in a Funeral Home", or Revalations of the Daleks, wherein Davros was turning dead people into Daleks because the regular Daleks had been trying to kill him. At this point, there were two and a half leaders for the Daleks, Dalek Supreme, and Davros who is and is not sometimes kind of sort of the Dalek Emperor.

A couple years later, somehow Davros was in charge of the regular Daleks just because he put on a fancy ball over his wheelchair, proving once and for all that Daleks are fucking genius.

Then we come to Christopher Eccleston foaming at the mouth in "Dalek", where apparently, the Dalek is a genius; see previous image. Then he was foaming at the mouth because they had captured his one true love. These Daleks, like the regular-Daleks from the funeral home episode, hated the human-ness of their existence. They also had religion which was a little nod to Christianity's gay-hating ways (RTD irl likes the cock; it wasn't just the writing that was really fucking gay). And the redesigned Dalek Emperor in that episode for some reason had his body fucking exposed so gun-toting maniacs could shoot at him. Boy, that would have been the end to a whole whack of problems. Or just one big one.

A little aside here:

Except, what about all of those people from the future in Bad Wolf. INCLUDING THE RETARDED BLACK GUY WHO WAS CONVINCED THEY COULDN'T EXIST BECAUSE THEY'D DISAPPEARED.

Anyway, moving on. We come now to the "Cult of Skaro" and the Time Lord prison ship, which was weird because usually prisons have "guards" and "cells" and this one had neither. They were apparently REAL Daleks. I wish they'd lock Rose up in a fucking prison ship. We will assume those were all REAL Daleks too, because REAL Daleks want to kill everything that's not a REAL Dalek.

And then there's Daleks in Manhattan, where there's this thing, these things, these things, and whatever this is - I've seen enough hentai read enough fan fiction to know where this is going.

Pro tip - these two links are in no way safe for work. Quel surprise.

In this one, Dalek (butt)Sec(s) eats a human. Then he became sort of human, because eating humans does that to you (which is why we see people that look like this). Then, he and the other cultists made other humans become sort of Dalek. They had to be killed because they weren't Dalek enough, fyi. I can only hope we will not be seeing the Eleventh Doctor sequel, The Angels Take Manhattan.

Then it was Journey's End, wherein those Daleks were created from the breastmilk of Davros himself. Since Davros was a Kaled, and the original Daleks were mutated Kaleds, I can only conclude that these Daleks were REAL Daleks. Except they weren't, because Moffat says so. Oh, consequently, there was another Supreme Dalek. And Davros looked to be taking orders from him. Shows you where he ranks on the totem pole.

And he says so when the Daleks became Britain's secret weapon against the Hun. Also there were fighter planes with lasers that were mysteriously never seen again. You'd think something would have come of that, but now is not the time to goatse that particular plothole. Anyway, the Smarties brand Daleks killed all the other Daleks because they were purer-er than pure blah blah blah.

In the beginning, this was supposed to be something about your point that this was a new race of Daleks when how can it be so when there's one race of Daleks. Now it's a giant facepalm down memory lane. Next time on Doctor Who - gangsta Daleks.

Because it works into their plan? Why didn't those four Daleks from Doomsday just storm the Earth?

The Time War is the only timelocked event. And we've all seen how that worked out.

I don't know where you're going with this. Why can't what's-her-face retcon the Daleks BEFORE the Doctor saves her. Oh gee whiz.

They should have stayed divorced/seperated/whatever. Imagine how not-pussywhipped he would have been without her. All those badass moments? All the time. But noooope.