Because that was not his intend. Saying her name three times (or other Sidhe) in the conversation makes her aware of it and able to locate the person who is doing it, but it's her decision if she wants to show up or not.

 

Unless it's in the Nevernever. I think if you say the name three times in the Nevernever, she shows up.

Because when he was in the Erlking's Hall he warned Dresden against saying her name three times.

 

Pretty sure Mab only shows up whenever she damn well pleases. As for that time with the Erlking. Maybe she wouldn't have been dragged there so much as she'd been wondering just what Harry would be doing in his keep. When people, apparently, don't ever really visit.

She could assume he was held prisoner and get pretty ticked off.

 

I always thought that the naming thing allowed her to appear and not compelled it like a real summoning. It probably brings the speaker to her attention. And as that is something no sane wizard wants everybody avoids those things.

 

Dresden specifically says that he had a giant-ass circle pre-made for him to summon Mab. He also made a circle to summon Titania and Mother Winter. You can't just go around summoning Sidhe willy-nilly into the mortal world, just by saying their name three times.

 

True. The Nevernever, however...

 

So Fairies can't lie correct? Then how does that actually work? Do lies even occur to them or do they have to realize the lie they want to say, then find the closest way of saying that?

I ask because Molly will eventually have to submit to this rule, and my personal belief is that she lost the ability to lie right away. What if she, as a person can't lie to herself, and if only the cold, hard truth is present to her. What would that do to a person?

 

That would depend. What is lying to oneself? Is it actually sitting there and lying to yourself... or is it believing something in spite of knowledge otherwise/because of a lack of knowledge? As far as I am aware, lying is a conscious decision. But then again, I've never bothered to think about it much.

The Fae can tell you something that according to cold hard facts is a lie... but if they don't know it's a lie, then they can (is it even a lie in that case?). If they don't know something is a lie, then I don't believe there is some form of omniscient auto-blocker thingy.

 

We don't know either way for sure, but Dresden sure as hell believes that whatever comes out of Sidhe mouths is a literal, objective truth.

 

Y'know, I got to the end of the book and thought it was a damn shame no-one ever used the term "The Dresden Burn".

 

I think Molly can lie. It's just that to do so would be like Harry saying "Screw Winter Law". The mantle of the Winter Lady would abandon her if she lied.

Like was quoted earlier, she doesn't just magically become faerie now she has the mantle. She has the choice whether she wants to use the mantle and act like a faerie. If she chooses to do so, then her choice will become ingrained and she will slowly transform into the thing she's choosing to be, until one day she finds that she can't lie anymore - not lying has become part of who she is - what she has chosen to become in thousands of tiny choices stacked up over the years.

 

Unless Molly can take the Mantle on and off if she wants. It seems like Kringle/Odin could. Which makes me wonder how that all works. Is he bound by Winter Law and the rules of the Sidhe before Halloween? And how can he take off the Mantle after Christmas, is there another conjunction?

 

Which doesn't really make sense if you place Lily into the equation. I'd have to reread Cold Days to be sure, but I'm pretty sure she tells Dresden stuff that isn't factually correct, she just didn't know it--and so could tell the "lie". But then that comes back to it not being a lie, because she doesn't know otherwise. It's just not factually correct.

I'm confusing myself now; too early for this kind of thinking.

 

I always thought the Sidhe couldn't say something they knew to be a lie, but they could be deceived. I guess it's what they view to be the literal truth.

 

There's a lie, and then there's being wrong.

Lily saying something that she believes to be true isn't a lie. She's just wrong. A wrong answer isn't a lie. If you had a Sidhe, who, from birth, had been taught that 2 plus 2 equals 5, and had never been taught differently, when you asked them what 2 plus 2 is, they'd tell you 5. No magical force would force them to say four, because the Sidhe thinks it's five.

 

So has there been any discussion on this "singular" identify of Mother Summer and Winter? Harry summons her with Atropos (one of the Greek myth's Three Fates, the one that cut the thread of life) and Skuld (from Norse Three Norns, of "that which will be"). What could be something that combines natural forces together and is more ancient than those? Egyptian, Akkadian, maybe?

 

I would assume their combined "identity" is the third of each respective group.

It probably breaks down to where Mother Winter is death/future/etc, Mother Summer is birth/the past/etc, and by their powers combined, they are Lachesis/Verðandi, the present/"life"

 

Mabs 'judge' persona reminds me of something, I could be way off but I'll leave this here anyway.

 

I sort of guessed that they might have been 'Gaia' or something like that. Not the Greek Goddess, but in a more 'Mother Nature' sense.