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Supernatural

Discussion in 'Movies, Music and TV shows' started by Cyclops, May 17, 2007.

  1. Banner

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    I enjoyed that. Tardisistheonlywaytotravel has wonderful characterizations.

    Try this one:
    Grace
    http://icarus-chained.livejournal.com/153875.html?page=2&cut_expand=1

    It's the first story of a trilogy, focused on Gabriel's pov. Set after Changing Channels, Gabriel tracks down Cas and they talk. I found this series simply lovely. It's about what people will do for family.
     
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    Nemrut The Black Mage ~ Prestige ~

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    Newest episode was rather awesome. Disregarding the utter stupidity of Sam and Dean to pick Abbadon as the demon to heal, you know, one of the strongest, smartest and most dangerous demons they have met instead of a regular demon, and leaving her/him alone like that, Crowley really curbstomped them this episode with such magnificence that it was a sight to behold.

    I mean, it is a typical needs of the many situation, a similar dilemma which Castiel is also having right now, although, which was solved more conveniently since the Nephilim went all "you want a monster, here is one", although, to be fair, it was well within her rights, it was still more easy for Castiel to kill someone defending herself with such strength than it would be to kill someone utterly helpless.

    Pretty sure that girl was stronger than he was, although less experienced (and this show loves to kill extremely powerful beings by shanking them from behind with knives and stakes).

    Am curious what closing down heaven fully means. Just that the angels wouldn't be able to leave? What about the souls and whatnot? Would Castiel himself be forced to return or would he remain on earth? Would he retain his powers?

    Anyway, interesting episode and it is nice to see Crowley stepping up again.
     
  3. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    Yet again, Crowley is the most enjoyable part of the episode. Is it wrong to be rooting for him in the fight for life, the universe, and everything?
     
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    If loving Crowley is wrong, I don't wanna be right...
     
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    The only minor annoyance I had was the idea at the end that getting a demon would somehow be difficult due to Crowley being carefull not to let demons near.

    For one, why would Crowley do that? He has no way of knowing that the last trial needs a demon? Why did he not order every single demon to try and hunt those two with every means available? Given that he knows nothing of the last trial, that would be the rational thing to do.

    Second, if worst comes to worst. Sam and Dean could just ask help from Castiel and the angels. Heck, ask help from that Naomi character if you have no other choice. It would certainly be in her best interest to seal hell and she could certainly supply a demon, so even though she would certainly backstab Sam and Dean afterwards, hell would be sealed first.

    Ofcourse from the look of things (trailer spoilers and resulting speculation)
    It looks like this "artificial" thing with Sam and Dean acting like idiots in letting Abaddon escape in such a stupid way (why even dig up the hands if you are not going to attach them?) and Crowley mysteriously knowing not to let Demons near the Winchesters, is so that Sam and Dean can capture Crowley himself and cure HIM.

    So I guess demon!Crowley is going to become regular!Crowley. Or the trials will be end up in failure. One of the two.
     
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    Hiding that hex bag in the phone was one of the most brilliantly evil and smart things I've ever seen. Fuckin' love Crowley.
     
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    Sort of like how listerning devices uses to simply be planted, not they can be installed in appliances or other pieces of tech. All a witch/demon would have to do is open up something, like a tv, put the bag in, close it up. and they might never discover it. they will need to find a way to either scan/jam a hex bag. so either spells, wardingsor simply another hex bag.
    I dont understand why would they seal heaven, sure it would contain the angels but, they might be huge pain in the neck, but they do hell occasionally. also, from the sounds of it the sealing is not permanent, so that means hell could be breached if sealed.
     
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    Okay, major spoilers for the season finale:

    Well, that was...meh. It started strong with Crowley but then it asked too much of me by having Dean and Sam capture Crowley like it was nothing. I just don't get how Crowley, the one guy who never underestimates the two brothers, would at the end underestimate them so much, that he would go alone to such a meeting, with no contingency plans. I just can't believe that Crowley would make such a big mistake.

    That pretty much soured most of the episode.

    Metatron being a vengeful dick was...meh, again. In the end, Supernatual world seems to be fucked now. Angels are gone and the demons can go wild again. At least Crowley seems to be temporarily out of the picture but now they have a knight of hell, who seems to have similar powers to that of Crowley, and well, I don't know what bullshit Dean was spouting at the end, with what they now know enough to turn the tide, because, really, they haven't exactly found out anything substantially new to combat demons other than what they have been doing right now. Okay, the hellhound seeing glasses is one thing, but it is not like Hellhounds were the reason why demons were so dangerous. Maybe with the demon trap bullets they could do something, but meh, let's see how they will regret this next season.

    Ultimately depowered Castiel is a plot thread that I personally am not really interested in, I have to say. I found the angel side of his personality to be the most interesting thing and I don't want to see him settling in the human world. Wonder how many angels are going to suicide now.

    All in all, slightly disappointing season finale but I guess better than the last two.

    Although, maybe this will tie into the future thing where Sam had become Lucifer's vessel and Castiel had no more powers, so, dunno, something could come from that.
     
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    Metatron taking revenge on the Angels was so friggin predictable, but at least it was handled well. Curtis Armstrong is always great. Also, I liked the falling bit. Angels living day-to-day lives in the human world creates a whole new set of interesting plot lines to pursue.

    That said, I'm severely disappointed the trials went unfinished, and that the cost of their completion was so mundane. 'Sam's going to die' is just a remarkably tired premise at this point.
     
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    samkar Temporarily Banhammered

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    Ben Edlund, probably the best Supernatural writer, leaves Supernatural and joins Eric Kripke at the utter train wreck "Revolution". A show I dropped after the first episode which were 4 less I gave it than "The Event", a complete dysfunctional script disaster and acting meltdown.
     
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    I wouldn't call Revolution a train wreck. It doesn't have that 'so bad it's fascinating' element. Revolution is more like a loud, wet fart that smells of rotten eggs. Whenever it comes on, you just want to leave the room.

    The only thing that show has going for it is Tracy Spiridakos, who somehow manages to be both attractive and unattractive simultaneously.

    OT: It sucks that Edlund is leaving. He's great at those 'shit just got real' episodes.
     
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    Unexpected, by morganoconnor

    "There’s something decidedly strange about Sam’s soul. Crowley is determined to figure out what it is."

    Short but fun.
     
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    We know the demon tablet had plenty of material on it, one section was about the different sections of hell. Could there be doors to specific places in hell?
    What else could the leviathan and angel tablets could have had on them? What did happen to the original one, we know Dick had it when he made kevin translate it, so it stay with him when he got taken, or did dick hide it away. Do we think a purgatory weapon would work just as well?
     
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    Death <33333
     
  15. KHAAAAAAAN!!

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    Lolololol season 9. Fucking hell.
     
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    Death is in the new one? I stopped watching a season or two ago because I was just continually left disappointed but any episode with Death in it Ill watch no matter what Ive missed. He is god damn awesome every single time he shows up.
     
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    Will hell now have a civil war? Crowley was king but abbadon is not happy the salesman having the big chair. Will other high ranked demons make alive, like samhain and the surviving seven sins?
     
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    So, another season which starts off with one brother lying to the other, great.

    As to the angels, it is somewhat interesting, although the scope of their powers seems to be inconsistent. Besides, what happened to Castiel's host? He just died?

    It seemed cheap to have Bobby in this episode, of sorts. Like, he was just in to make the pilot of the new season better. Same with Death, really.

    Overall, decent episode, but nothing too good.

    It's just hard to care about the characters anymore. Quite frankly, Dean and Sam do not deserve their countless saves from death, as if they deserve their 4000 chance more than so many other people would a second one. Castiel has become a bit unlikeable as well. I mean, I get that he wants to redeem himself but after the third or fourth time fucking over the angels he should realize he is just bad for them and keep his distance. There is taking responsibility and then there is being stubborn to assuage his own guilt.

    Quite frankly, powerless and human Cas just seems boring as well.
     
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    I was bored last week and finally saw the missing seasons (I'm still a firm believer that Season 5 was Supernatural's last one :-/)

    Anyway, my ramblings on reddit copy-pasted.

    Ezekiel has managed what even Lucifer couldn't accomplish. Got Sam to say Yes.

    Bad plot device imo. If Lucifer, who, by definition, was more clever, more powerful etc, and could not get possess Sam, (which, as this episode demonstrates, isn't that difficult), then this sort of invalidates the entire season 5. :-/

    Edit: Another Interesting thing is that Ezekiel seems to have no issue with Sam's demon blood. I get that Lucifer won't have a problem with it since he created them, but a legit angel, someone Cas calls a "good soldier", who fell, and now is trying to heal a guy with Azazel's blood flowing through his veins? I remember Uriel's reaction when Alistair was in the same room as him.
    Bah, seems like the writers are just coming up with excuses to pull off "cool" moves. Hurr Durr Sam gets possessed by an Angel.

    Also, this line: "I will go on angel radio and tell them". sigh.
    /rant

    Also, everything Nemrut said.
     
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  20. Nemrut

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    Agreed. I don't like how Sam got tricked.

    I think the consent thing has to be clear, which is why the angels only really get devout people. Castiel's host for example supposedly prayed for angel interference of some sort, and while, of course, he didn't realize what it would entail exactly, and to be fair, not even Castiel saw half the shit coming that he had to live through, he still knew, for the most part, what he was getting in to.

    Same with Lucifer's host. Here, Sam just said a general yes to a plan he had no idea what it would entail and to a person he thought was his brother. If all an angel needs is a generic yes, why didn't Lucifer simply asked whether or not Sam liked Pizza and when he said yes just take over? It really seems inconsistent.

    The angel radio thing, yeah, forgot about that. It makes sense for Sam and Dean to call it that, seeing that know nothing about it and for Cas to roll with it due to them but the angels in general to call it that? Fucking stupid.

    Also, the female angel's body disintegrating seemed odd as well. I mean, I get why Michael and Lucifer need their specific hosts, being Archangels, something Gabriel apparently lucked into at some point, and Raphael seemed to either use normal people and switch them regularly or he has a family lined and is just recycling through the various members but why would a 0815 angel need a specific bloodline. Seems arbitrary if Angels are further limited by something like that. I mean, if angels need hosts to do stuff on earth and if they are supposed to watch over humans, how much sense does it make that they burn through humans that are not tailored for them especially? Archangels make sense, being stupidly powerful and all but normal angels...meh.