Akainu basically tanked the entire pirate force by himself. WB being the strongest man in the world was the strongest Yonkou as well. We can't really say the others are as strong. Akainu lost his fight but he did serious damage.

 

Like 1v1 with both sides uninjured, WB would lay a smack down on Akainu. He might be injured, but he would totes win the fight.

 

WB won the fight in the manga as I clearly said my last post. That's not really the point here. The point is that Akainu could actually fight the strongest man in the world and so may be in the same strength league with the rest of the Yonkou.

 

There is an argument to be made for Akainu after the time-skip, perhaps. I assume they will have brushed his power level up a notch or two.

The point stands that an uninjured WB at the time of the War would basically bitchslap any admiral that came at him alone. And that is entirely appropriate.

The same, though to a much lesser extent, should (in theory) apply to the other Yonko. Remember that though all the Yonko are pirates, they are basically more at war with each other than the marines.

 

WB hit Akainu with an attack that split the island in half. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47298-5/one-piece/chapter-575.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47298-6/one-piece/chapter-575.html http://www.mangapanda.com/103-47298-7/one-piece/chapter-575.html I'm not sure how much harder you expect him to hit if he wasn't injured. Akainu still managed to troll WB's entire crew and two shichibukai afterwards. Marco, and Vista and the rest of the division commanders would be the elite members of WB's crew that would be expected to face Shanks' crew if they fought.

I'd say the marines barely bother the Yonko because they're are pretty much pirates only in name. Yonko means four kings. They're named that for a reason. Each of the Yonko basically has a kingdom and it would take a full scale assault from the marines to mess with them in their own territory. I imagine something like what WB brought to the war. However if they leave their territory..... Well Roger did state that he and Garp almost killed each other countless times.

 

I think you're underestimating the Admirals. Akinu walked off getting hit with an attack so hard that it's backdraft split the island in half.

Aokiji's power basically let's him instantly stop and kill anybody that gets too close to him, and it's not clear whether Haki Armament would save you from it.

And Kizaru just plain doesn't fucking fight fair. His power is literally cheating, almost as badly as Magellan's.

Plus, it's been stated that all three Admirals could have stood alone against Whitebeard. They may not have had good chances of winning, but they wouldn't necessarily lose the fight, either.

Again. One to one, the Admirals would have had Shanks crew dead to rights, with only the one who had to fight Shanks potentially being in serious trouble.

But they were outnumbered by at least double. And the Whitebeard pirates and all the allies they'd brought with them were still on the field.

The whole point of the strategy Sengoku deployed was to draw the Whitebeard pirates into the trap, cut the video feed, spring the trap, massacre them, and then bring the feed back up to show the end where the Admirals would kill Whitebeard three-to-one and Ace would be publicly executed.

The entire point of this was to kill Ace and Whitebeard publicly. That was the sole purpose of the strategy. Sengoku wanted to show the world that the power of the Marines wasn't something that could be challenged. That's why all three Admirals were there. To completely ensure victory against Whitebeard. One to one, any one of them might have been able to kill him, but all three of them working together certainly would. Sengoku isn't a man who likes taking risks, particularly not when the world is watching. He wanted this to go off without a hitch.

The only thing he didn't count on was for Whitebeard to spit in his eye with his dying breath, and use his last act to tell the world that One Piece was real and it was out there waiting to be claimed. That completely ruined what Sengoku was trying to accomplish; he wanted to use the public executions of Ace and Whitebeard to demoralize pirates and stifle the rebellious attitudes against the World Government, but Whitebeard managed to turn it back on them, and use his death to rekindle the Age of Piracy instead of smothering it.

 

Its official- we need a Whitebeard/Shanks VS Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru throw down in the Fight Club to properly conclude the matter once and for all(I nominate Rep, he's bitchin' at fights therein).

 

And you are overestimating the Admirals and underestimating the pirate crews quite a bit. Hell, even Luffy's crew are almost good enough to fight Admirals, and several of WB commanders did fight evenly with Admirals and Shichibukai (some with more success than others). It is only logical that Shank's crew has the same fighting prowess, and Shanks himself shares WB's ability to bitchslap anyone one on one, though to a lesser degree.

No, the admirals would not have Shank's crew dead to rights. The whole point of him stopping the war was that the marines could not hope to beat another Yonko so soon after fighting the first.

 

I was under the impression that to achieve the stalemate between pirates and marines there had to be the 4 yonkou vs. the 7 shichibukai + admirals.

 

They might be good enough to fight these rookie Admirals but I won't think they could step to the old guard till I see them do something really impressive. I don't think a single Strawhat has used an island scale attack yet.

 

You're looking at this all wrong. The Yonko are not on the same side. Each Yonko IS a side, like the marines are. That's why the marines had to pull everyone just to fight Whitebeard. The same would have been true for each of other Yonko.

The fact is, the Yonko are more in contention with each other than the marines, from what we've seen so far.

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Also, Zenzao, I would write the shit out of that, but we have no idea what Shanks can do besides that kickass sword and Conqueror's Haki that can break apart ships.



... which might just be enough.

 

No, they wouldn't.

Did you listen to anything I just said?

Pick a random person from Shank's crew. It doesn't matter who, because we don't know much about any of them.

Throw that person into a one-on-one fight against one of the Admirals.

The pirate is very likely to lose that fight.

Now throw one of the Admirals at Shanks. The fight could go either way. Shanks holds the advantage, a significant advantage even, but not to the point that the admiral stands no chance of winning.

If there were enough Admirals for them to face Shanks and his crew on a one-to-one ratio, the Admirals would have them dead to rights.

Do you understand what I'm saying there?

Strictly on a one-to-one ratio, the Admirals have the very best pirate crews beat. Strictly on a one-to-one ratio, the Admirals can go toe-to-toe with the Four Kings. But the Admirals can't do that, because there are not enough Admirals. All three Admirals versus Shank and his crew, Shanks wins simply because it's a brawl of people who are all hitting in approximately the same ballpark of power, give or take, but one side has eight people on it and the other side has three. Even the addition of Garp and Sengoku would only bring the Marines side up to five, and we don't know for sure if Garp or Sengoku are as strong as the Admirals are.

 

There were plenty of Admiral-level fighters on Marines' side. They're called "Shichibukai".

Edit: And even if they were one to one ratio, it would not be as one sided as you seem to think. The top pirates such as Marco and Vista can very well take on Admirals, and it is a safe bet that Shanks has people of that level, too.

 

I see, so you didn't listen, and now you're trying to change the subject. Good to know.

Also,

Citation needed.

 

I'd say only one Shichibukai is a confirmed Admiral-level fighter. Mihawk. Don and perhaps Boa would be a maybe.

We know that they can fight Admirals without being immediately stomped into the ground but do they have any chance of winning? Akainu says no. http://www.mangapanda.com/103-48478-14/one-piece/chapter-578.html
I think he's fighting all the division commanders still standing and Crocodile at once and he describes it as them throwing their lives away.

 

I think only some of the Shichibukai are on the level of admirals or beyond. If Buggy was made one, then clearly the standards are not high individual power.

On yonkou vs. admirals, I'm just going to quote the wiki.

Tbh, I think there are probably a lot of admiral class marines who are stuck as vice-admirals. Garp is in the same tier as Roger and WB but he's still a vice-admiral. Plus, look at Smoker who was a major at the time but could definitely level up to be a major threat.

The point is just on power levels and the one fight we saw between a yonkou and the entire marine base + 7 gods of pirates, the yonkou would probably crush anyone individually. I mean, of course, the kind of power a yonkou can bring to bear will be different -- but if it's just Shanks, I don't think any admiral aside from Sakazuki or Aokiji post-timeskip can really expect to survive a one on one. Even then those two would probably die.

Three vs. one and I think Shanks would die. On a duel basis, yonkou are emperors of the sea, which is exactly what the pirate king is supposed to be except bigger. I don't think anyone can really stand against them. These guys hold so much power that certain territories are just off-limits.

Certainly, admirals are tough but in the new world they sort of just lose their gravity. You could say it's because they're outnumbered, but I think that a lot of people are just at or beyond their level.

But it's One Piece, which generally means the guy who's willing to die for his dream is going to win. So whoever's really feeling it at that time will be the victor.

 

Gonna step in for a second cause the new chapter is out.

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/One-Piece-751-?id=200419

We get to see more of Sabo's strength, this Dragon Talon looks like something Dragon came up with and taught Sabo, I'm guessing it's armament haki taken to the next level and concentrated in the fingers. So Sabo is now made of fire and uses Dragon themed attacks. ...I sense Fairy Tail crossovers coming

 

Probably not. Admirals in OP are kind of like the Captains in Bleach. They're the strongest weapons the marines have by a lot. Garp refused promotion or he'd have been an Admiral. Smoker while perhaps strong enough to qualify as a Vice Admiral couldn't use haki and so didn't have the requirements during the war. He was also a Commodore at the time.

 

Ah, yes. The classic 'you disagree with me so clearly you didn't hear what I said', argument. Also known as 'I'm a fucking idiot and I want everyone to know'.


On the chapter front, not much going on. Sabo bitchslapping a Vice-Admiral is nothing much. I wanna see him against Fujitora.

 

FUCK YES, ZORO.