Math Warrior was initially hampered by the Warsong Commander glitch. For a long time (post GvG I think to BRM, I think?), Warsong Commander would not charge summoned minions, such as Spectral Spiders from Hunted Creeper deathrattle. Math Warrior was a niche deck even without this glitch, but the glitch certainly didn't help.

The advent of BRM made the deck much more consistent, because of two cards: Grim Patron and Emperor Thaurassian. Grim Patron gave the deck another win condition, and Emperor Thaurassian enabled 60+ damage Frothing turns. Previous to this, you were mana locked with Math Warrior for OTKs, because you only had one mana left over after Warsong + double Frothing (or 4 with single Frothing). ET basically exploded the potential damage of the deck, and catapulted this deck into Tier 0 of ranked play. I would argue that even if Patron was nerfed into unplayable in Patron Warrior, the strength of the Frothing combo post-Thaurassian would still carry the deck to Tier 1. It would lose a lot of consistency with the Patron combo, but I think deckbuilders could find substitute win conditions, or find ways to make the Frothing combo more consistent.

 

"somewhat easily"

Patron Warrior has lethal here.

 

"Having taunts can stop it somewhat easily."

Liiike fuck. I have seen Berserkers punch through Handlock walls.

It just feels strange, because Blizzard said they were against OTK combos early on, when Warsong was super broken. They changed Warsong back then to make the OTKs impossible, and I'm not sure why they're not doing it now.

 

That feel when you play FreezeMage against ControlWarrior and still kick his ass.

 

That's my point. Take Grim Patron out of the picture here and the Berserkers can't win it. That card gives Warriors bodies to hit face/taunt and attack charges for the Berserkers (a lot of them since you can spawn a lot of them). You can't replace it without weakening the deck to the point of not being competitive, IMO. 1 Grim Patron does what (at worst) 3 cards do.

 

Stop sacrificing your soul for wins, Rep. It's not worth it.

 

I'm pretty sure swapping the Patron and Inner Rage for Execute and Unstable Ghoul is lethal here too (weapon is a war axe). Let's count.

Hand is Warsong, Frothing, Frothing, Ghoul, Whirlwind, Execute.

Play all minions for 7 mana, then whirlwind on 8 minions.

Frothings each go to 10/3.

Run Ghoul into a Drake, Frothings go to 12/3.

Whirlwind effect from Ghoul (on 7 minions), Frothings go to 19/2

Execute a drake. Run a Frothing into a Drake.

Remaining frothing goes to 21/2. No taunts remain - we go face with Frothing and our War Axe for 24 damage.

 

You're right, there are different win conditions with different cards for that situation (and many others), but how likely are you going to be able to set them up without Grim Patron, realistically? Go on ladder with a Warrior deck without Patrons and see what rank you get to (not to mention tournaments). That card does so many things, and some of them don't even happen in the turn it's being played!

 

I have played math warrior! It's still legend viable if I can play it at rank 6-7 (and top out with better decks at rank 3-4) The patrons help, but the real win condition of the deck are the frothings and emperor. You still play it in a similar fashion - stall until you draw combo pieces, use aoe activators to proc frothings, use executes to take down walls, and burst.

 

You need to get to the win condition, though. Could you do it without the Patrons? I'd say no, not reliably at high enough levels. Sure, the Emperor is what makes the combo wombo possible (or good enough), but could/would you nerf it?

 

No. I wouldn't nerf emperor, it makes a lot of decks playable, but not too strong.

I'd make the suggestions Kai offered above actually (I suspect he and I have talked about them before) - battle rage minion only, and warsongs only gaining attack on own minions.

 

My best pack ever.

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Nice!

I crafted Rhonin to dick around with a slower tempo mage, and it's...fun, but just feels a little slow.

Triple missiles with two flamewakers up is some comical late game clear/burst though.

 

I currently have a Hunter run going and so far Ram Wrangler is amazing in arena.

In back to back games that I activated his battlecry I summoned Acidmaw and King Mukla.

I also have 2 webspinners plus ball of spiders which gave me Dreadscale and Maexxna.

 

I'm a tad jealous, I too want a Golden Rhonin.

I've been tinkering with a mage deck, trying to set up a dead Rhonin with alive Malygos/flamewalkers on the board.

Hasn't worked yet, but one day there will be arcane missile armageddon!

 

Eh. Doesn't sound too hard. All you need is for a decent Emperor turn (preferably affecting both Rhonin and Malygos, but just Malygos will do). Play Rhonin. Kill him. Play 8 mana Malygos. Make it rain.


Edit: Noooooooo my 4444th post I was reserving that for the conclusion of my fic. FUCK.

 

I've been running the Maly/Rhonin combo. Even without flamewalkers, it's disgusting.

 

I don't think Emperor should be nerfed because it's too strong, but I do think it should be changed just because it possibly hamstrings future cards that Blizzard might want to create.

Every time they make a new card, now they have to ask "Wait, can Emperor make this into a broken combo?"


Even if you need win conditions for Patron, I still think it's bullshit that Blizzard hasn't changed it. You needed win conditions in order to pull off all the previous OTKs that existed. The problem was that they were OTKs, and Blizzard didn't find those acceptable in the game.

 

Picked up Hearthstone again for the first time in months. Opponent of equal skill my ass. That was a fucking curbstomp from Turn 1.

 

Snerk.

You play on EU or US?