Will you at least send me off with a good pic?

 

I'll have one ready for you, don't worry.

Who the heck killed Snowvon?

 

Most people would assume scum killed him.

 

I was looking for a particular, thank you for your support.

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Did demonturtle show any interest in tracking Koalas before the Titus lynch? There's a chance of a Demonturtle/Koalas scum team.

LJ, did you reveal your flavour name?

 

Citrus reveal :

It doesnt make any more sense with this information, just felt like doing the one click (all hail bookmarks), and give you the reveal.


fontisian
demonturtle
Blorcyn

weiyaoli
Koalas

Tempus Fugit
EvilOftenWins

Plotless
TMNTurtwig

Elemental
Banks
ljtrigirl



Fontisian
Shot a scum, and lead the lynch of another one.
Has another shot, we will see how that one goes.

demonturtle
Claimed tracker, tracked Koalas n1, who visited fonti. (and confirmed it)
Fonti is still alive.
Either those two are the exact remaining scum, or they are just telling the truth.
They are never both living till the end with this claim, so that is something to revisit if they are alive in a few days.
Never the lynch for today.
(demonturtle could be town, even if Koalas is scum, that is why she is ranked higher up)

Blorcyn
Can go into that read if asked to, but if he is not town from his play, then he is close to being spewed town at this point.

weiyaoli
Similar to his Hannibalmafia game, looks really towny and is inquisitive at the right points.
Don't know his scumgame, and considering he is on this site for 6 years while only having 7 posts (on the "real" forum), i assume he has played enough mafia, to be good as either alignment.
Still pretty sure he is town.

Koalas
Scummy, low content day1.
Known to have visited fonti day 1. Since she didnt claim anything bad happening to her, i am assuming he is doc or another town pr for now.
Likely to resolve itself tonight, if he is real.

Scum if demonturtle is scum. Might still be scum if demonturtle is real, then we do not know his nightaction.

Not the kill for today, unless we have other fun role revelations, that paint him in a bad light.

Tempus Fugit
Not a lot of interactions with citrus, outside of citrus townread on him, which was around 30 posts before Tempus made the post that made me believe Tempus was town.
Which is the one thing that looks bad on tempus.

On the other hand, I still liked his big post #164.
There is one interaction with Titus that i read them more unaligned from #242, that was before citrus died, and before titus had any pressure on her.
Sounds more like Titus throwing some random scum for me.

EvilOftenWins
This one is mostly sheeped from others tbh.
Fonti seems to be really serious about that read.
Reread him a few times, but didnt find anything really towny or scummy.
Wei reads him towny for the citrus vote on him, but the was a pretty late vote.
Defended me against titus, which looks towny, buit that happened when titus was basically dead already.
Should be in neutral if it was only my own read.

Plotless
I first scumread him, or believed there is scum between him and demon. Demon is most likely town at this point.
What made me read him less scummy was, the qt thing that happened, because i basically did the same thing the other day on another site.
That one is tricky, because citrus was in that game, and might have read my qt afterwards, and used my exact mistake to make me townread plotless.

BUT his reaction to my scumread on him (mid d1) and him townreading me when fonti put a world of myself and him as scum (early d2) out there, hard to see him as scum doing that, and not just take the way of the easy scumread on me instead.
That is from his perspective, because he has to believe one of us is a likely lynch at that point. So why not even try to get me killed instead of himself?

TMNTurtwig
Gave him a townread at the start for being honest with a read/vote, instead of making something random up that sounds better.
Didn't do enough afterwards to stay in my town.
The one maybe towny thing he did is not voting on titus. Sounds stupid, but when he got back into the thread there was most likely no way to help Titus anymore, and noone would question the vote.
He decided to follow his reads and voted evil.
Woops checked again .. when he voted, titus had only 7 votes. Still unlikely, as scum he would love to get the sweet towncred for the last important vote to hammer.

I don't like the statement that he wants to give the low posters the benefit of the doubt, but never gave reads on the people with more content.

Outside of that .. needs to step up his activity. Only gave half a readslist EoD1, and didnt bother to finifh it until now.

Elemental
His 2nd post about the scumteam size .. I don't know it is him being told to dumbtell, or if it is genuine, considering titus and citrus leading scum this game, both is possible.
His reads, when he gave them were lacking a bit of content.
Early on scumreads tempus/citrus, with the out of citrus just having a genuine townread on tempus.
Later on flips his tempus read. Still reads citrus scum at that point, sadly never gives a reason.
Unsure if that was a sheep or just siding with the side that looked better, but it looks bad. Esp. with that comment after the Citrus flip :

Reads to me too much like scum asking for towncred, after not doing a lot to get a partner lynched.

I like the first point here, noone else brought it up, i think.
The 2nd half reads like a bunch of nonsense.
That post was made at a point, where titus was basically dead, so there is not a lot of credit to be given for it.

That comment, after fonti hard townread evil for something similar .. reads really bad to me.

I really need to hear more from Elemental, the titus comment read well, but came too late. everything else was lacking as was his post amount in general.

Banks
Lack of content overall, read fonti town, when she was winning the battle against citrus, that is about everything i think.

Blantanly lying in thread about our terra game (i won that game with 128 points, he was 2nd place with 84)

Unsure how to read the Citrus/Banks interaction. The fact that he himself never really adressed it, is something i dislike, because he should know that citrus townread on him was bonkers.

ljtrigirl
Loki, is that you?
Wei is right that LJ is most likely third party, considering the flipped scum pr and the town prs in the game.
Outside of pushing myself for the sole reason of "feels off", there is not a lot about her I like.
Unlikely to be scum this game, because of the claim d1.
Unsure about which third party she could be, because of my lack of experience with third parties.


This took a bit long, and got kinda sloppy inbetween.
I might need to reread some interactions to be more sure about some of the players (for example : Wei said evil is never scum because of the way titus and citrus acted around him. as of right now i am unsure about that read)

Fonti, who do you want to shoot at the moment?

If you shoot me, please let me know beforehand, so i can be around when it happens. Just because I want to call you right after and make fun of you when we are both dead.

Gonna take a short nap, every question is welcome. I feel like I worked a bit much in several possible scumworlds with ifs and buts .. BUT I have a whole day to narrow it down more, i hope.

 

Wait, wait, wait. Do we all get to read each other's QTs afterwards?

 

The answer is yes, if you want do.

There normally is a general obs channel, in which all other qts will be linked as well.
As soon as the game is over the mods will link it for everyone in this thread. you can go in there and read everyones qt, and what they thought about who and why for which reason.
And if you look at vons qt, you can expect a lot of fun and fluff as well!

To be fair, some ppl do not really use their qt, and write their notes down somewhere else, but you can read all notes/flames/ideas the people had, that also includes scumchat.

 

Working on a post looking at Elemental/Plotless atm, but quickly:

Jan, I was talking about a theoretical second part to LJ's role, ie they were a ascetic in addition to being X.

 

I'm just writing a letter now, because I was born in 1831, and then I'm going to ask you some questions Jan.

I'll try and get a thorough enough town-->scum list as well, because I've not done that yet and it seems the right thing, though that may not be ready until later.

 

I pushed for defending you as town because I genuinely believe that you are town and that Fonti doesn't have any reason to vote me as scum, especially after two posts where she said I was obviously town. In that end, I thought that my chances of not being lynched were pretty high, and that sacrificing town to give myself a slightly higher chance of survival is pretty retarded. However, upon rereading this it really looks like I'm collaborating with you, so I'm not sure if I'll even post this. Ergh.

As for scum, I really want a cop to check either koalas or demon, because they're either both scum or both town. I'd like to believe that they're both town, but I can't be sure. If they're town, I'm very happy with my vote on TMNT.

 

I agree with you reasoning on their roles here. I think it's sound. However, I'm not sure whether that should immediately give them an immunity for today because if it doesn't resolve itself tonight then it can drag on.

Still, if it does drag on we can revise our approach - so ultimately reasonable

Spewed town? Is this like overdoing it or something?

I think there's some good indications for Plotless from his play, but I don't understand your reasoning here, at all. His position on your list doesn't seem justified from what you've said about him.

I think in part - you said it may be sloppy - is that I don't understand what you mean by

I think Plotless and Demonturtle are going to be on opposite teams - or rather I don't think both of them are scum. Plotless voted on Titus earlier than Demonturtle, which is a point in his favour vs. Demonturtle. The hammering was building by that point. However, at the same time, as an early save being in the middle of the vote is a good way to be overlooked and I don't want to do that.

TMNT - where you at? I agree, it's pretty horrid looking at present. Unless he's a random 3p YHWH or some other shit, being all god of the gaps or something - but that doesn't make much sense to me.

Banks for the same reason. Still, he hasn't done much seriously, but that's starting to get harder to ignore.

Evil's repeated 'Ooops, well that's me gone, posts' strike me wrong. He tries to martyr himself and laugh it off whenever anyone votes for him, rather than fight it. It's like he's trying to let it be forgotten.

 

The Koalas/demonturtle thing is something i would revisit later on, in case we do not find another scum or someone else flips powerrole.

We have 1 flipped pr ("town day reporter"), not a strong pr in itself, but one that can townfirm himself whenever need be, basically a confirmed!town whenever he decides to claim, with the option to soft the role to people, if need be.
1 claimed pr in fonti as a dayvig, with a twist.
She shot a scum, and lynched another one. If she does that as scum, to win in final 3, instead of taking citrus and titus and just roll the game with them, then she deserves it.
She said she has a second shot (maybe even more), might be risky with 2 scum already dead. She should consider keeping it in her pants today, depending on how strong her reads are at the moment.
A missshot that kills herself and a town feels more risky than useful, unless she is sure about her read.

Demonturtle
claimed tracker, and claimed to have tracked koalas last night.
If we do not hit a single scum until final 7, and they are both alive, then we can consider looking at them again.
Final 7 because, if you wait until final 5 you risk to lose to either them or 2 other ppl who are scum together, with a single last town stuck in the middle.
At final 7 lynching one of them can town or scumfirm the other one and you can move on with that info into final 5 to find the scum.
They also might be able to town!firm themselves by getting either a track on someone who died, or whatever koalas does.
And scum might be afraid of that and kill them in the night.

So yeah, the fact that we already have 4 town prs claimed here makes it look a little bit fishy (esp with lj who claimed a town pr as well) .. but that is nothing to look into right now.

Koalas should decide if he wants to claim or give us some of his flavor to confirm himself. That mostly depends on his role in the end, because he might give infos away that he should not want to give away.
Leaving town in the dark for another day might be better, than giving scum vital information about his role. His choice.


Spewed town in the way, that every single person had you in their townread, most of them at the very top. That makes you very likely a real town.


Plotless
His position is there, because I did not like him at the start, and I am paranoid about the qt thingy that happened, because exactly citrus flipped scum. He or fonti are the two ppl i see capable and knowledgebale to make such a play. While I have this soft townread on her, he is flipped scum.

His reaction to defend me felt genuine, but others defended me before and after him (everyone but lj read me town on d2,i think), so reading someone town, because they townread me is not really enough to townclear him.


The plotless and demonturtle thing is fun, because if demonturtle is scum, then almost always with koalas. Which means plotless is town, because a team of 5 is highly unlikely.
So yeah i agree a wolfteam that includes demonturtle and plotless is highly unlikely.

 

Is it possible to have a town cop and a mafia cop?

 

Yes, but it is unlikely that we have 8 townroles or more.

Why? did you get an upgrade?

 

No, this is the 2nd time Plotless has asked for a cop to check me.

 

Well .. if you are fake, then that might happen.

If you are real, then it is unlikely for a real cop/seer to be around, unless scum actually has some really strong prs left in their backpocket, or have unlikely high numbers.

 

I took it as a joke more than anything at the time.

 

Not sure what you're insinuating here. If scum wanted a cop to check you, they'd do so in scum QT.

Personally I think you're town, but checking you or Koalas is a good idea because it confirms the role of the other.

 

Theories, in the order that I believe them.
1. I do not have an extra shot.

2.Titus hates bussing. She also has an inflated sense of her own importance in steering the game.
2a. This makes Evil and Kalas likely town, as she told me to shoot them. I also have independent town reads on them now.
2b. It also bodes very well for demonturtle, as she tried very hard to kill her.
2c. It speaks ok of Jan, because if she was going to bus, the time she pushed on Jan was it.

3. Demonturtle is real. Tracking Kalas only links them together, which just gets them both lynched if they are teammates. Also, the odds of mafia have a rolecop and a tracker are low.
3a. This makes Kalas also likely real, and very likely to die soon.

4. TMNT has claimed town neighborizer with one shot to me. I do not believe him entirely, because I don't understand why he'd use his one shot on someone unlikely to survive the night instead of using it to test LJ's claim.

5. LJ's reaction to my Citrus shot is very awkward, as is her avoiding the Titus wagon. I think she's a good enough player to wifom not jumping on Titus in order to look good, but meh.

6. I hate elemental's question about the snowvon shot.

7. I want Jan to tell me about Plotless's qt slip, because I seem to be missing it.

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8. Von was a doctor dodge. The person who shot him was experienced enough to fear and avoid a potential save and knew that Von is very rarely mislynched.

 

here you are. first sentence, basically the same wording i used in the lovers game the other day.
It is nothing major, and i first townread hmi for it, because preparing stuff like that in your qt for yourself is towny.
With Citrus flipping scum, and the fact that it is the same thing I did in the lovers game .. made me rethink this.