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HP Questions that don't deserve their own thread V2

Discussion in 'Fanfic Discussion' started by Sesc, Oct 22, 2014.

  1. Puzzled

    Puzzled High Inquisitor

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    Harry knew that Dumbledore's curse came from the ring, correct?
     
  2. Rayndeon

    Rayndeon Professor

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    Yes. He learns that when he views Snape's memories in DH.

     
  3. MoltenCheese

    MoltenCheese Seventh Year

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    Is there an explanation to why Ron was so angry at Hermione with the Firebolt Incident in PoA? Harry I can understand, since it was his broom that was confiscated and he probably never got such a good gift before (He didn't get many gifts before either, which probably fueled his anger more). But Ron? It does say something in the lines of "In Ron's book, stripping down a quidditch broom was criminal" or something like that. But that doesn't explain why he was so furious at her for so long.
     
  4. Peter North

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    Ron was already pissed about his rat "dying" and her getting the firebolt confiscated was just another excuse to be pissed at her.
     
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    There was the Scabbers-Crookshanks feud too. That ore the sexual tension.
     
  6. MoltenCheese

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    The broomstick incident happened before Ron's "rat" dying, though. "Scabber's Death" happened a chapter after Harry received the Firebolt. The broomstick event fueled Scabbers-Crookshanks feud, not the other way around.
     
  7. Sesc

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    Without reviewing that particular debate again: The reason to be angry here is Hermione's presumption and high-handedness inherent in that particular action, and you don't have to be an affected party to find that repelling. Ron is Harry's friend, and angry on his behalf. So: Why wouldn't he be angry?

    Incidentally, in reading that scene again just now, Hermione is perfectly aware that she's not looking good:

    You just don't do that, and she knows it. And so does Ron (who has a very clear sense of what he considers right and wrong, and what to expect from friends and what not), which explains his initial outburst.

    The comment with the broom later on ... well, either Rowling's sense of humour, or Ron being a Quidditch nut. Either works.
     
  8. Atram Noctem

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    I think that Harry and Ron's friendship with Hermione was largely rooted in the troll incident, where she lied to authority and pretended to break the rules to cover their asses. That's the trust building moment - the point where Hermione transformed from the annoying girl who stalks them and tries to prevent their rule-breaking, to someone whom they can trust, who stands with them against authority.

    Over the next two years, the three share an unspoken notion concerning the importance of rules and authority. When Hermione goes behind their backs and contacts authority to take something away from Harry, she basically insults their judgement, and breaks the notion that they should decide together if they should speak to the authorities, which Ron perceives as betrayal of everything their friendship is rooted in.
     
  9. Rayndeon

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    She was right about what to do with the broom -- she just went about it in a not so tactful manner. She should have tried to talk more to Harry and Ron about the dangers and also how it would be likely that the broom would return perfectly functional, prior to telling McGonagall.

    That said though, jinxing a Firebolt is a bizarre assassination scheme. Why would you, a man on the run, spend tons of Galleons and then carefully jinx a broom to kill someone when there are probably thousands of other easier ways to do it? Anyway, I suppose there have been rather fantastic assassination attempts in the real world.
     
  10. redlibertyx

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    I mean, someone did try to attack/kill Harry by jinxing his broom two years previously. So that part's not out of the question. Yes, I'm sure a hypothetical assassin could buy a cheaper broom to kill Harry with but I think only a Firebolt or something of similar quality would get Harry to ride it immediately. I don't think a Comet would work, for instance.
     
  11. SeekingSerenity

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    I;m not sure you can just curse a high-end broom just like that. A FIREBOLT to be precise.
     
  12. MonkeyEpoxy

    MonkeyEpoxy The Cursed Child DLP Supporter

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    Does anything in the books say that a Firebolt is immune to curses, jinxes, all that shit? I mean, Harry's broom in the first book was a Nimbus 2000... the highest end model of that time. Still cursed.
     
  13. NuScorpii

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    The fact that McGonagall and Flitwick both think it plausible that the broom had been cursed is enough of an indication that it could be cursed.
     
  14. SeekingSerenity

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    But Voldemort was channeling the spell. The curse didn't come as some sort of condensed magic that saturated the broom or something similar of nature. I really can't take the art of "cursing objects" without some grain of salt,atleast in the cannon.
    Voldemort was able to curse artifacts from the founders of Hogwarts ,doesn't that just strike you just a bit odd? Or Crouch junior just confusing the goblet of fire, a immensely powerful object capable of binding the very fabric of magic a person can posses?

    edit: NuScorpii I just found it a little bit odd.But yes ,it seems that you are precisely right.I don't have enough arguments to back it up.
     
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  15. NuScorpii

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    I'm sure McGonagall and Flitwick being professors at one of the best Magical schools in Europe have a better grasp of what is and isn't possible than any speculation you could make with absolutely no canon evidence. This thread is about known canon facts, and not meaningless speculation about "condensed magic" and "channeling spells".
     
  16. InfernoCannon

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    The closest you can get to the idea of the Firebolt being uncursable would to be to consider any anti-jinxing spells placed upon it - unfortunately, not having my copy of PoA handy, I can't check to see if its mentioned as to having when Harry first read the description. And even then, the kind of protections that a Firebolt has are more likely supposed to shrug off interference from others during a Quidditch match, and could be trivially circumvented by a focused assassin.
     
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    Ron's anger isn't hard to understand, really.

    As was mentioned, Ron's already upset about the Scabbers business, for which he's blaming Hermione.

    On top of that, we have Harry receive the Firebolt. Now, Ron's family is not well off; the closest Ron probably thought he would ever get to a broom that nice was pressing his nose up against the display window of Quality Quidditch Supplies. Ron probably assumes Harry is just as grateful to have received this gift as he himself would be, so he also assumes how upset Harry would be to have it taken away... which is 'fucking very.'

    The broom isn't just the Wizarding World equivalent of a super car, either, it also doubles as equipment in their biggest sport, of which Ron is a very passionate enthusiast.

    Imagine you're Harry and this is the normal world and you just received a very high-end super car, which your friend Ron would die to get his hands on. Along comes Hermione, narcs on you for what you believe to be a suspicion so laughable that it isn't worth considering, and suddenly your teachers are confiscating the car -before you've ever even had the chance to sit in it- and telling you that, despite the fact that none of them is an expert on this car, or even super cars in general (one teaches a standard mechanics course, but the rest teach chemistry, electrical engineering, etc. - and one is the sports coach, who teaches drivers' ed on the weekends and is also the only one of the teachers you've even ever seen drive a car at all), are going to completely dismantle said car to see if it is booby trapped.

    Because 'Hermione.'

    Then maybe reassemble it correctly and return it, if you're lucky. And, come on, even if it turns out they're pretty good mechanics, that pristine new ride of yours is now officially a used, reconditioned, car, which was assembled by amateur mechanics.


    That is what's happening to Harry's broom, and Ron deeply sympathizes with what he believes Harry to be feeling, even if he's only projecting his own feelings onto his friend. And that's ignoring that he's almost certainly also angry that Harry would have let him have a spin on his dream broom, and now it's not going to happen (at least for a while, and by then it's essentially a broom the teachers have made, not a Firebolt).

    The cherry on top is that all of this is happening because the same friend who refuses to keep her pet from trying to kill his, also went over their heads to rat them out; and 'friends aren't supposed to do that to you' (even if they think they're helping).

    That Hermione is always so sure she's right and reluctant to admit what she did was high-handed BS (even though she clearly knows what she did wasn't cricket) probably doesn't help her win any favor with Ron, either.

    Also, he's a thirteen-year-old boy. :fire
     
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  18. Drake

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    Where is Fiendfyre first introduced in the books?
     
  19. blizzarrrd

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    I think Deathly Hallows, when Crabbe used it in the RoR.
     
  20. MoltenCheese

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    Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Chapter 31 (The Battle of Hogwarts).

    Edit: It is to be noted that Voldemort used Fieldfyre in his duel with Dumbledore in the OotP movie. And since the movie came out ten days before the Deathly Hallows (book), the first appearance of Fieldfyre is technically in the OotP movie.
     
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