Every time Barry gets picked up by the neck by some big, slow berk that he doesn't
1. Dodge
2. Vibrate out off (I mean he doesn't mind killing them, so what's a hand?)
I put a cat in a wheelie bin.

 

It's good to have Wells back. What a dick, though.

So much cringe comedy this episode. Not really my thing.

And Barry's super fast again. They're not even attempting to justify it.

 

Wells was the best character this episode. He seems to know something about the speedforce too.

THe power structure is terrible in this show.

 

I love Wells, he is such a raging asshole, it's awesome.

Joe is a lot more trigger happy than ever, no hesitation, just straight up started shooting.



Well, this date is uncomfortable, and what Barry and Cisco are doing is rather fucked up and intrusive. Just say I had an accident at the lab and I can’t fucking see. At worst, date is cancelled, at best, you guys do something at your home, drinking tea and chatting on the sofa.

The whole speed thing is just so dumb. if he can run so fast he can create afterimages, break the sound barrier, run on water,travel through time, reverse a singularity and whatnot, he can damn well blitzattack a human with what is essentially a laser gun. Just run at her and knock her out in a second, you are too fast for her to see or react.

Decent episode, loved every scene with Wells. Hope he remains a permanent member of the cast/team.

Good riddance on that other Flash guy, hope he stays fucking gone.

 

Nemrut: That's not the first time this particular story shortcoming has popped up. Remember the Captain Cold/Heatwave 'cross the lines' episode, and how Barry didn't just run up and take the guns out of their hands? Especially after the whole 'catching bullets' thing earlier this episode, it feels weird that he's having so much trouble handling ordinary people with supertech.

The entire concept of using misdirection and illusions against someone who's demonstrated the ability to perform an AoE attack seemed a little stupid, but she didn't pull off the same trick twice so I guess there's some restriction there.

Wells is awesome, as per usual. What I love is that he's not S1 Wells. Cavanagh is doing an amazing job having him be a completely different character from what we're used to (which, when you think about it, makes perfect sense) while keeping the essential aspect of Wells intact. I also liked the Wells/Garrick dynamic, especially how Wells is actually the one that believes in Barry's ability to handle Zoom (assuming it's not a sham, of course, but I don't think it is).

I can see how the date is creepy, especially with Cisco looking in, and yeah, it seems so easy to say 'my sciencing went wrong and I went temporarily blind, but I wanted to have this date anyway so can we figure something out'. That said, I actually really enjoyed the date. Patty and Barry have great chemistry, and it was only made funnier by Cisco's commentary and expressions. Another great piece of acting there, btw.

 

I'm sorry, did other things happen in this episode besides Wells being the most entertaining dickhead? (and Joe straight up bypassing law into execution)

Oh yeah, Cisco Ramon. No matter how much ridiculous shit this show throws at me (most of which I treat as a fun roller coaster), Cisco is there cutting through the bullshit with ease and awkward bluntness. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

 

Just gonna say it now: Reverse-Flash > Zoom.

 

I'll tell you what happened:

Spoiler

return of the ominous Wells-related stingers!

 

I watched the first two episodes and the inconsistencies of the show are driving me insane:

1. How fast Barry heals is completely plot-dependent

2. How fast Barry can move is completely plot-dependent

3. How fast Barry can react is completely plot-dependent

There is ZERO consistency. Its infuriating.

If Barry moves anywhere near his top speed no one who isn't a speedster should be a challenge?

How in the world did a freaking couple dozen people (in the second episode that dude who can clone himself) pose a challenge to Barry?

Their punches should be moving so slow Barry could run circles around them. Instead, a couple of them (I think 5 at one point) beat him up.

Then he can still run quickly.

The whole plot is completely built upon Barry's power not working normally to provide a challenge.

 

This is the best episode of the flash I've seen in a good long while and I found myself smiling and laughing almost all the way through.

First the bad:

Caitlin and Jay. It's not good, it's not interesting. I'm happy it's getting so little screen time but with so little how can we care enough to be invested (not that we want to). She's a woman, sure, that doesn't mean she's got to be on the cusp of a relationship with someone all the bloody time. Give her time to be a person before she hooks up with someone else. She can be interesting without having to hook up with someone.

Barry's speed. What? As always. What? If he can run so fast as to create that many afterimages how is he struggling. He tried all of what, once, to try to get behind her by just being faster than the speed of light? To be fair, in a world where his speed made any idea of sense then if he didn't manage on the first go then it would be reasonable.

The unreasonable bit is that he didn't succeed.

And the thing is the show is completely aware of this. Wells essentially calls him out on the fact of his speed half way through the episode (before the plot demands a new speedpower aspect and he advises Barry on that, unnecessarily)

The good:

Wells - great. Not quite as sarcastic as usual, considering he's not actually the same guy, but still a great dick. Love that when he learned about Cisco's power he took a huge and obvious step away from the guy. As if we needed that confirmation. I actually like how hilarious it is that they're just immediately accepting this guy because he shot King Shark. In the episode itself they said Zoom may be sending over people who have a link to Barry in this world. Naivety must be an Earth-1 thing.

Patty - she is hilarious and awesome. She's cute and smiley and assertive and believable. Arrow and flash don't usually make it even this far into a relationship before anything that made us like the two characters before they hooked up is lost to unnecessary wangsty bullshit. Here's hoping they can manage it for at least one more episode.

The hope is that like with Felicity they aren't afraid to make the tv universe it's own thing and let him have a relationship with Patty until its natural conclusion rather than shoe-horn him with Iris for canonicity.

Barry - so earnest. I enjoyed his interactions with almost all of the characters. Stupid as his use of his powers can be, I like that he tried to talk down Dr. Light - how friendly he was to her. It's the flash we want.

Cisco - best part of the episode. Sorry, Scrubb - probably means you hated this one. Everything he did was brilliant. He's just such a believable, comic actor and he's actually comic which is always brilliant. He's got his own stuff this season which is proving more engaging and deeper than a derpy shit brother. I'm liking what they're doing for him so far. Hopefully when it's Caitlin's turn they'll manage at least half as well as they have with Cisco so far.

More Cisco on Barry. More Cisco on Patty. More Cisco on Wells, please. Really, really enjoyed this episode.

 

Watched the episode. Pretty good, all around. Solid, with very few cringe moments and many, many funny and/or satisfying moments. Wells is awesome, Cisco is awesome Barry/Patty is awesome.

I liked Garrick's throwback to what I assume is Atlantis and Aquaman. Much less so the Caitlyn/Jay stuff. Meh.

But yeah. More episodes like this please.

P.S: Cisco saying 'Oh snap!' cracked me up.

 

The thing is, the showverse already is its owns thing, mixing things from various runs of the comic together with a dash of unique elements. And in one of those runs--the New 52--Barry does date Patty. So, fingers crossed.

 

I have a question about the stupid power use.

Barry's after image is him continuously flitting between lots of different places so your eye which can't track his movements just sees his stop points, right?

So if that's right then the worst time to use it would be against a beam weapon. She shoots his after images for a second at a time. Does this mean he's running into them hundreds of times and for some reason is not bothered?

 

Off topic question but somehow relevant, anyone watching izombie? Is it worth getting into?

 

I liked season one. In Season two, I feel like they are overdoing the whole personality traits you obtain from eating brains. In season one she changed depending on the brain she ate, but it was minor changes that just made it amusing and surprising when they appeared.

This season, the personality change has become so extreme that she's barely even her own character anymore, and it gets old after about the first minute. She talks, acts, and thinks exactly like the dead brain now, instead of just obtaining some of their quirks, interests, or abilities.

I'm not sure why they did this, I liked it more when she actually obtained some of her own self awareness and just couldn't help it when some quirks came out. Perhaps it's just the different writers having their own takes on it.

 

To play the zombie show defender here for a change, it's still the same writing team, and while yeah the new brain personalities are taking over a bit, I think it's also letting them get ridiculously sharply funny with it and letting it stand out amidst all the subplots going on. And, like last season, the big Liv character scenes - be it in the middle of her new brain or at the beginning/end of the episode - are still her actual self intact in there and parallel the journey of the brain/the life lesson from that dead person's brains she ate as usual. But yeah, the cases are getting hellishly complex with ugly resolutions, and the arc stuff is so ridiculously on point, so I can forgive the occasional over-the-top-ness to it. And after seeing how the building arc all came together for last season's finale, I'd have total trust in how this season's going to build.

So yeah, Quick Ben, if you haven't yet, get into it. Season One'll start off very case of the week - just like The Flash's metahuman of the week, no big - but it doesn't fuck around with the overarching plot, definitely rewards people paying attention, it sets things up subtly as balls and pays off quickly, and I think it'll only get better as time goes on. Season Two's also got five additional scripts ordered, so it may not even become the whacky fun CW show that gets killed two seasons in! Like Reaper. God, Reaper. I miss you, Reaper.

(On topic: The Flash is also doing good this season, the weird amounts of attempts to kill Snowbarry not withstanding, but we've been rolling with that since last year, and at least Patty's more entertaining to watch hang with Barry than Iris is. Also, Harry Wells is the greatest, and I'm all for him staying forever, especially if his hot daughter comes along.)

 

I agree some of it is funny but I think I liked it more when it seemed that she was having an internal struggle to prevent the quirks. Perhaps she has embraced it and is just letting it take her over now? I think believing that might help me enjoy some of it more.

I don't know. I still feel like they need to tone it down on some of them. I think the three that stand out this season are the grumpy old guy episode, the fashion addict, and this recent one with the coach.

Even if she's having fun with it, you'd think she'd at least try to tone it down around Major at least. He's expressed a distaste for the brain of the week personality changes.

Edit: After posting, I wanted to delete this and re post it in the IZombie thread(Forgot we were in The Flash thread)

But I can't. If any mod wants to do that for me. I'd appreciate it.

 

Is the supergirl show connected to Flash? If so is it any good.

 

^ From what I've heard Supergirl takes place in the same continuity as Flash, Arrow, and apparently now Constantine. I've DVR'd the first episodes but haven't seen anything more than the ads so I can't say more than that.

 

While one of the executive producers (Berlanti) has stated that he'd like to do a crossover with Arrow and/or The Flash, currently Supergirl does not exist in the same universe. I believe one of the CBS network execs stated they wanted to "keep the show to themselves."