Sorry if I shouldn't have cc'd??

But the fuckin joat setup

 

I feel like font is right.. And this plan seems to have so many options where it doesn't work

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What is joat quickly?

 

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

Nah. Loch not visiting anyone doesn't clear her of being scum.

It means I'm a PR who targets someone who doesn't die and has no other ill effects. Who can also confirm whether I'm right about who they targeted. In a setup with potentially lots of PRs.

I'm struggling to see a downside.

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when did that post happen, lol.

If I had claimed 10 minutes before deadline, you might have a point. Otherwise it just seems like you're missing the obvious.

 

i still don't think you'd be THAT suspicious of her after seeing her no-visit

hmmmmmm

not totally against lynching rubicon. delphine is right to not clear her track but like come on, you'd most likely want to hear their reads and likely be assuming they are like 90+% clear, come onnnn

 

Has there ever been mafia trackers? So he could be a tracker?
Like I said before I looked back at Awesomafia and I was mafia dancer which is normally a town role

 

Yes dLGN only one mafia person submits a kill

Joat = Jack of all trades, has multiple 1-shot powers. Person that made this setup made a setup that had 3 of those roles in...15p maybe idr

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Mafia trackers are presumably possible yes

 

Tracker is not anything like a clear in a game with multiple scum. That's why I didn't use my power n1, because the odds of not only hitting scum but hitting the particular scum who targets the NK is so low.

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A few months back I tunneled for weeks on a guy who had a tracker clear, because I thought either there was another scum or he no-killed.

It happens.

 

mafia tracker is typically called a stalker and is basically a weaker rolecop. seems like a weird fucking role to have in a game where the only visiting town PR is a vigi as the two neighbors aren't going to be visiting each other or anybody else

what is the concept behind the neighbor/neighbor/vigi/tracker setup? if vigi misshoots town and gets tracked to that dead town they sort of look like mafia and could get mislynched to balance out the fact that town has 4 prs? (ignoring the whole neighbor T/S thing that presumably weakens the neighbor S claim)

 

Ok gonna do some mechanics play for a second so everybody can maybe see what i am seeing :

The world of Tracking² :
To make it easy, i will just believe delphines claim to be true, because her crumbs are there and believable, and she was way more town from the get go.

A. Delphine tracks Rubicon
- Rubicon does nothing ->scum
- Rubicon visits someone that dies in the night -> scum (or really unlucky, but we lose to that)
- Rubicon visits Delphine/Fonti and they survive-> either town or scum pr

B. Delphine visits Fonti and Rubicon shares info at the same time.
-> Rubicon says Delphine visited him (scum)
-> Rubicon says Delphine visited Fonti (town, or scum that got a 50/50 chance right)
-> Rubicon says the same info as Delphine regarding Fonti
-> Fonti is vt (likely, because of the amount of prs), useless check
-> Fonti is scum with rubicon, he knows if she did anything and can speak the truth
-> Fonti is a pr and Rubicon and Delphine both give us the same info that is not "nothing". ... Rubicon town.


The chances of us getting viable infos out of your play are so slim and stupid .. I dont get it.

 

Mafia tracker doesn't make sense if the only thing they could track is another tracker. They probably have a rolecop though, to help figure out the neighbors and potentially get them caught by the tracker.

 

That confirms me in all but two worlds. Seems reasonable.

I also would not immediately accept Delphine's claim as true simply because of her crumbs, and would prefer to confirm her.

 

Someone please check if i made a mistake in my mechanics post .. but i am pretty sure that dLGNs plan is mostly useless.

Have to think if there is any world where we can actually use it to our advantage.

 

i'm just thinking like... say we (mis)lynch kai, fonti and newcomb look better, if delphine dies in the night rubicon prooooobably gets lynched tmw but will have some sort of claim to evaluate, idk

fuck i dunno, delphine considering you've pocketed me and have a strong claim what do you want to do?

 

You forgot the worlds where delphine gets killed or roleblocked.

 

I thought about forcing Rubicon to track delphine and make him out first, if we believe her 100%.

But that can be fucked with as well.
Scum just kill her in the night, and we have nothing, regardless of rubicons alignment.

There is also a world where scum have a roleblocker .. in that world all those plays are fucked, because one of them being blocked = no info/false info
AND if they are scum they can just claim roleblocked and hope to get a pass through this.

 

Considering how shit of an investigative role this is, there being a rber would just be cruel

 

Thought of them afterwards kai!

 

I dunno, from my pov it's just...

Lynching me fails to catch mafia 100% of the time.
Lynching Delphine fails to catch mafia like 80% of the time.

If one of us is lying, DLGN's plan catches them in almost every world and probably give town something to use to find partners. Bum deal for scum.

 

No matter how many times you say this, it won't be true.

 

Is there some merit to letting Rubicon pick his track and then having to justify it on the off chance he's real and catch a mafia making a kill?