Dude you literally just read them and analyzed them.

 

I'd like a summarized views from you on each player actually more.

Like:

Town
1
2
3
Scum

And then explain the reads please

 

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I literally did this upon replacing in. Citrus wtf is wrong with you?

 

No, because I don't know what to make of it. It presents like stream-of-consciousness building confidence Citrus is scum and then throws out "oh yeah but Citrus might be town so anyways"

I don't understand where you are right now. You think I'm behaviorally scum but mechanically town? You think I'm ehhhh probably town or gambiting scum? You think I'm town but played kinda stupid? You think I'm scum but playing sub-optimally?

Like what?

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Yes, and that was ages ago content-wise

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I am trying to understand what you're thinking right now. You're not helping with that with witty replies

 

No, possible, possible, possible, possible.

Gun to my head you're town.

 

Put it in your own words please, write a sentence saying what you think. That was the point of writing like 4 myself to give you an example to work from

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Prophylaxis

When are you returning to the thread? Your last post definitely implies you will be posting again between then and day-end

 

You're playing different than I expect from town!you. You are cagey and terse as opposed to town leader-y. I don't understand why you claimed Oracle there. I don't agree with your mechanics. I tend to think you should be better at reading me. I don't know why you expect me to have coherent all-encompassing reads when I've been very clear about my level of interest/engagement with this game.

Despite that, unless you're mafia with dLGN, I just don't see you doing that Oracle thing as mafia for like, nothing. And I like the way you're engaging with me right now. Being angry with you and unable to figure you out usually means we're v/v. Gun to my head, you're town, but I will flip on you so hard it'll give me whiplash if I figure out a scum motivation for the Oracle thing.

 

Thoughts as I’m going through:

Slippery hardclaimed? And Newcomb, why was it sketchy that he used meta talk for it? And Jan wanted him to hardclaim?
Can someone explain this interaction to me.

Slippery- I don’t really feel like he’s saying anything straightforwardly, like the same way someone like dLGN is. Idk if that means anything though. It’s not possible for priest to be scum, so whatever. We'll find out soon enough if he fakeclaimed, which I don't think he did, because just why?

Jan: Why didn’t you wait longer to unclaim to get more reactions? Also, what are you thoughts on dLGN and Citrus? You seem to be talking a reading them a little weakly in light of everything that's happened

KaiDASH: Wanted to counterclaim, voted Slippery, never came back, wat

I like Newcomb’s activity. I think he's actively contributing and his ideas were interesting to read. I don’t think I read him as scummy but not really convinced either way. I agree with Citrus and I have a hard time imagining the scum teams he proposed.

But in that case, the choices left are really confusing. Like, Snowvon’s occupied IRL and I think that might make an easy mislynch.

I don’t think I’d want to vote for any of the candidates people are starting to propose.

Also- as a side note, I’ve been reading some scum QTs and is hard coaching ever really a thing? Like is that something we actually have to watch out for?

I really don't see how Citrus's oracle thing would be scum-motivated.

 

First of all obviously
Unvote: Waco

Okay so much going on since I left- Trying to sort all thoughts out right now.
Just to confirm and make sure I didn't miss as I read-
1) Slippery and Kai have claimed priest
2) dLGN Nurse
3) Citrus claim oracle
and obviously Plotless Gravedigger
Did I miss any more? Trying to play catch up.

Just some quick initial thoughts before I comb over this thread more

Chances are Citrus is town and so is dLGN- because unless they are on a scum team together why would Citrus claim that and say it? Unless to give himself town credit? Seems like a weird claim though because the lynch was coming off of dLGN. If he had claimed when there was more pressure it would make more sense that they are both town- but the late claim after the fact is throwing me. Actually I think if there is scum in there it would only be Citrus not both because I think that is a very chancy move to link themselves so strongly.


Basically this whole Newcomb / Jan thing is weird. Trying to figure out if they are just two town with opposing views on how this should be played out for best chance of victory and then reading each other suspiciously for it

The weird part with Newcomb's switch on me made me feel he is more town- Realistically I would be an easier lynch target since I've been gone and most people don't really have a concrete feeling read on me. So why not let that happen- why second guess so hard last minute? Makes me think he is town trying to just figure it out-

Not sure yet if killing Slippery/Kai is good or not- Definitely don't want to vote for Kai when he hasn't came back yet- he has seemed to be playing very safely though.

Still have my same thoughts on Wacco bnut that obviously isn't happening. All his question posts set me on suspicion.


Give me a little to figure out my vote and who I do think is sucm- but ffor now:

Leaning Town:
Aria
dLGN
Newcomb?
Jan is seeming very town now. I'm thinking him and Newcomb are maybe jsut against each other both as town
Plotless
Slippery

Scummier
Snowvon? I barely remember him this game- need to go relook at his posts other than his entertianing drunk ones. Maybe posting enough to try and skate by?
Citrus- on edge for reason I posted- need to actually go through his posts but I could see it as a scum play- why claim so much later and after the fact
Wacco as I've posted
Kai- playing safe like he is trying to bne good town but not really giving much. Not doing anything until I hear more from this priest claim of his


I don't even remember Proph at this point so he is null until I go back.
Clearly forgetting people. Will be on and posting more detailed better reads- balancing between work and this right now.

 

Just looked at post count and wow, impressed that Newcomb went from just subbing in to 70+ posts.

Also, I don't get why Snowvon has quite a number of posts but I'm still not able to really get anything from him.

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I'm willing to vote for Waco, Cobalt, Snowvon, and maybe still Newcomb depending on what happens in the next few hours.

 

Just saw Aria saying she didn't see why Citrus thing could be scum motivated- my thinking was that he is hoping people would think, "Why would scum go and claim and support a town person...Must be town." That he would be cleared if people are assuming dLGN is town at this point

 

^ Wait that actually throws my reads back off

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Wait no, but why townconfirm dLGN then? I feel like he could've still been used later on to confused town.

 

Not sketchy in an alignment-way, sketchy as in "breaking the rules." You're not allowed to obliquely reference other games in order to slip information into the current game that everyone doesn't have an equal chance of understanding.

It's whatever, since he kinda claimed in other ways and did eventually hardclaim, but it's just not behavior we want to at all encourage.

Basically Silp called me "the Mets of this game," and in an offsite game, Silp was the Cop (similar to the Priest in that they check alignments nightly) and got attacked / run up by a player with that name. So by implying that a similar situation is happening here, he's hinting to players who were in that game - like Jan - that he's a similar role. Whereas someone who's never read that game would have no idea what he's talking about.

It happens for little things, in my experience. Like, you might tell a buddy "hey don't react to that, I think it's a trap." But like, hard coaching like one player saying "okay here post this, then this, start talking about X Y Z. Okay now back off that read" that doesn't really happen. If you read the WH5 scum QT you can see some fonti / me / Menace / Atum coaching.

I've been trying to come up with scenarios and basically I'm down to "because it's a -EV move he'd get townread for" like fonti running up Jan last game where it's just like "but why?". Which is pretty bleh, in either case.

 

Ok.
I have indeed played cagey/terse up to the claims thing. More and more lately, I've found that until I get a 'flow' for the game I dislike posting and don't really get in the zone. Partly for OoG + business not allowing me to live-post as I'm doing now, partly because of having a stint of D1 deaths that really messed with my entry-game. My plan seeing votes go on dLGN were to wait just a bit longer for committing on him from anyone, then dropping the claim bomb. Then dLGN claimed and it went to crap from there. After seeing Jan vote him I decided fuck it I can definitely see him get lynched still, and I know I personally would have gotten super paranoid about him just popping the nurse action straight away (which I still think was a horrible idea). I was also worried about getting night killed N1 (felt a little less so after you replaced in, and then much less so after I claimed).

The issues with my mechanics don't jive with the quotes you took from my scum games, or you don't have my valuation down.

Why would you expect me to be pretty good at reading you? I most definintely am not.

It's a bit hypocritical to declare burden of proof on others and then to hand-wave any burden from yourself

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Acolyte isn't in this game, but is a role that receives the name of another town player by-the-by

 

It's just a theory- linking towniness? Like dLGN giving gravedigger an extra life seems town unless they were both on same team. Why would you want gravedigger to have an extra life if you are scum? So if they were both scum though then Citrus would be scum too obviously or wouldn't be saying dLGN is town. And I don't think scum are that bold to link themselves like that. So if Citrus realizes that dLGN is seeming towny by giving this life (inmy opinion at least) he could have decided to connect himself.

 

You and me both :/

It's kind of disgusting really.

Like, I should be a top townread for everyone because while I could probably put out this level of effort as scum, there's a 0% chance I'd be able to be this freeform and organic and just kinda spewing my thoughts out there no matter what they are. I could literally not make up this many thoughts.

 

Or Citrus is just town . But don't want to assume or clear it for sure. Don't know why he claimed like that then

 

Originally Posted by WH12 Citrus
tl;dr
That game was a specific situation which doesn't really apply to the present game
Faking priest and then using that claim to push a lynch through on someone is not a good idea for a number of reasons


Faking priest TO PUSH A LYNCH is bad. Because if you're wrong you're gonna get mislynched + could push on the real priest causing a claim



Quote:
Originally Posted by WH12 Citrus
You're not paranoid at all of a witch being GD (slash-false results coming from it).

And the only backup for GD would be apprentice IF they picked GD. Even if I'm mis-understanding peeping tom as GD doesn't make a night action, that still wouldn't work out as a very good backup (one-time use and it would only give 1 night's worth of GD results to /that/ player).

And I doubt you're town AND (GD OR Apprentice!GD), because if you were you'd be paranoid of being killed yourself AND/OR paranoid about your counterpart (if any) being town or not. And it wasn't a deliberate crumb because you said so, which was my only concern.



I abused that point because A) I was the apprentice and being that role had direct mechanical relevance to that push and B) as town I would have still felt that way, just maybe less so/pushed it less hard

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Wow you do have 73 posts already *whistles*

 

Fair enough on your new D1 persona.

As town you're good at reading me as town. You've been wrong on me when I'm mafia, but that doesn't make you less right then.

I don't understand the burden of proof thing. Yes, if people are going to vote me I'm absolutely going to make them justify their votes. I don't get what you mean by the last sentence - what am I hand-waving?

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But you know I was town in that game and those were my real thoughts. Like fine you would have still disagreed with them as town, but if you are town here why the fuck would you use that to push me when you have direct evidence that I actually do believe that?

 

Okay, Newcomb sounds really sincere and it's making me feel bad.

Also, there's very little time left and it's making me nervous. Can we start voting already?