What are your thoughts on Delphine's first wall/read post? Is your case still based on the first 10 or so posts from Delphine?

 

Do you mean #174 or #351

 

I'm highly agreeable. But I clearly haven't collected enough anti-alignments yet, so I can't stop fighting people.

You were on a bad spot on the Bill wagon for poor reasons. Other votes were also not up to snuff.

You haven't interacted with enough of the the thread, and I dislike the handful of interactions you have had.

Both of those things put you on a lot of likely scumteams. And at this point, I'd like to lynch the person on the most possible scumteams, whose play style makes it unlikely they'll clear themselves later, and is contributing the least to the game . . . which is you atm. (I think Kai can clear himself later, I want to see more opinions from Citrus, and while I'd kind of like to pressure Atum, this is the wrong time and place for it.)

Delphine is in a similar spot, and I'm trying to decide which one of you two is scummier. Wei has the earlier stuff I cited, but also has his earlier defense. And we already have some amount of wagon information on him.

 

Sorry, I meant #351.

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Okay, went back and tried to read through all of Delphine's posts in context since I only skimmed them whilst iso'ing Jan. Also disregarding the two large gaps, which seem to be RL related and speculating on that isn't cool.

I think their earlier content fits with the pace of the thread mostly at the time, even when they went mechanically focused instead of scum hunting focused. I can buy that line of play for someone who hasn't played with lump before. Even the exchange with tom, which thinking about someone who would read up on a game that involved lump would also be on top of all the mechanical implications that came up. Especially since last tinyhunt had Taure I think, who I seem to remember discussing several mechanics related plays.

Later posts before the first large gap are slightly worse relative to the thread pace. Not much hunting going on, which is fine if they follow up, so looking at the wall post:

I like the way they talked about their more clear cut town reads (Atum/Von/Waco). There are quite a couple more conflicted people in the wall, but I like the way they lay out all of their thoughts about each one. Just, I'm still having trouble figuring out what they actually think about Tom/Sesc/KaiDash.

Posting this and continuing on before Bill responds so I don't accidentally bias my read of that post.

 

Ok - we don't have that much time.

Let's start from scrap. Who is town and why.

Von is von is von. noone will fight that read.
Bill Door is town until another leeroy blasts right in his face.
I am town. self proclaimed.

Atum really good start into the game. I think my statement about him being cleared via fonti regardless of her alignment stands. (Von was fairly certain about that read as well).
Him being kind of MiA is annoying, but we can cross that bridge tomorrow. No way we CfD on him.

Fonti is clear for the day. if I die tonight we can look at things.
If both Bill and Delphine are town then fonti looks a bit worse.

Will just post this now. others can chime in if they want to pull people from the list for the day or in general.

Moving on ..

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Mal - I think mal really tried to figure out my alignment. We talked about it between games and it will be hard for us to get on the same page ever, but I don't want him today.

As much as his wagon building game was fucked up/weird .. since i never have seen him talk about it in that way, i don't think it is made up at all.

 

I think posting those kinds of walls early is more scum than town. The content of the wall certainly doesnt justify the effort put into it. I disagree with most of it. I don't like not giving a read on Fonti and then showing no real attempt to follow up on it. I don't like the lump vote.

The logic takes a real big jump that I don't follow here. My main issue is thatyou could kinda the order of almost everyone on that list and based on the reasons she gives it would make about as much sense as it does currently. Like everyone below Snowvon on that list could be put in a random order and it would still work.

 

I liked waco early on. My biggest problem with him is that he stopped playing the game once he started tunneling me.
I don't mind a tunnel, but I do not remember him having a lot of reads outside of trying to kill me.
But I think the way he handled the situation was more towny. He actually did throw quotes in my face and was looking for reactions.

 

So continuing on, I'm a little surprised at the lack of more prodding at Bill/tom, since they seem to have been some of the people Delp had the most conflicting thoughts about from the colour.

Reading the next post, I can understand maybe why tom wasn't followed up on, but I'm not sure what they hoped to achieve by only really talking about what they thought of Bill.

Though, thinking about it more, I don't really understand where tom's case on Delph is coming from.

Why do you feel so strongly about Delph/jan as a pair tom? Does the point earlier I brought up not make you hesitate at all?

 

Jan -I'd dispute Atum being cleared on that list, but I don't think it's really the time to focus on him now.

 

So at the moment my do not lynch today list is :

Snowvon
Bill
Jan
Atum
Mal
Waco
Fonti

Does anyone have reasons why they would want to lynch any of the people on here so far?

Speak up now.

Moving On ..

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We can argue the cleared part, but I do not think he is the focus for the end of day with several people not being around. Look at him tomorrow, I might not be around for it.

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I think CfD on citrus who just subbed in and was at least faking some townyness is a bit aof a meh move.
If someone makes a good case sure, but like that is basically a 0 information lynch.

Leaving :

Delphine
KaiDASH
Sesc
Tom
Weiyaoli

One of those deserves a lump and one of them a bullet.
Still no real news so far.

Let's go through them next.

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Sesc is not with Kai because of the kai scumread which he then reduced. The way that happened is w/v or v/v but unlikely w/w.

Things i personally dislike :
Noone caring about kai at all.
Delphine wagon getting no traction. Considering the wagons were v/v, that matters not that much.

I will not talk about tom, because my view of him is as tainted as his view of me and there is no point to it. other people should evaluate his play. (or he just gets lumped + checked).

I know Kai is mostly a limp noodle, but considering bill is now pretty towny, what do people think about kai?

A kai iso is done pretty fast.

 

I think lump tom, lynch delphine is a solid plan tbh.

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Fairly happy with killing Kai either for his general refusal to be useful.

 

I take your point. Especially about not following up on interacting with fonti more. Kinda feel that fits more when it wasn't the last day of D1.

Okay, will reread Kai now.

 

@wei
I honestly have not gone that deep here. They both look scummy, and I don't like their interactions.

 

Tom makes this early read thing on Sesc.

He mentions that both Mal and Von know why.

When poked about it he says that he does not do it every time and they are unlikely to realize it.
Which is odd considering Mal only played 1 game with tom and apparently would have known.
Which means for Mal Tom has made this play 100% of the time and that is most likely something he would recognize.

Not sure why i am bringing this up again. I am thinking about the fact that tom did mention delphine and sesc reacting to the play but did not mention mal, i think, who reacted as well.
And the question is why.

Let me look that up.

 

Votals:

Wow. that sure is a votal.

 

Lump Vote Tom

 

You can look at the game that I played with mal. Its over now. We were both town (as was vaimes, with scumcitric).

I'm not the one that did it in that game. But we had a fairly lengthy conversation about the strategy.

 

That's the kind of votal I like to see with <90 minutes left in the day

 

They may not have expected me to do it, but no way they wouldn't realize as soon as I did it.

 

those would be the relevant posts from toms side about it.

What about mal tom?