I mean

I was responding to current stuff because it is current.
I was rereading everything else

I started with day 2
Then I did day 1
that seems like a sensible order
There is nothing selective about that

it's not unlikely that I missed something day 2, because that was the earliest where I came in the most confused over the setup and didn't know anyone.

now please explain how any of that looks "bad". If you mean bad play, sure, but I assume you mean that it makes me scum. Why?

 

. . .

You didn't miss any incredibly important thing. You missed a mundane normal thing. But in the face of a lynch, you're wasting my time and not solving the game. The fact that your readslist isn't taking all the relevant information into account is scummy /because/ you're going to disavow a large part of it momentarily, and beg for time to reconsider.

The other scummy thing was asking a question where you didn't care about the answer. If you honestly wanted to know the answer, you would have remembered the information and incorporated it into your reads. That you didn't made your "normal" question filler. You were just going through the motions of replacing in and "needing" to get caught up, scumchat had already caught you up, and you already planned to ignore that to "show your work" on earlier stuff in the thread that was completely irrelevant now.

 

That's a little on the nose, don't you think typh?
Any competent scum would know that wouldn't work.

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Ok, so citric is a huge pile of null that I'm super paranoid of.
I can accept that.

 

Can you talk to him? Ask him some questions? Both of you have multiple posts in the last hundred or so posts complaining about nobody else being around, yet you're both not really interacting with the other.

From a selfish POV, it would be way more useful for you to dig into him than it would be for me to do so. I mean, I plan to anyways later, but I'd like to see what you come up with before then.

 

Citric and I are ships in the night of late. It feels like we're alternating being here.
But yeah. That's a thing I need to do.

 

Hi, can you please take a moment to talk to people other than silver? Bussing can come later.

Tom and I are clearly both here. And you still need to explain your thoughts on 1 scum in [Tom, Jan].

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By that I mean answering all of the following:

Why not both scum?

Why not both town?

Is there a dramatic difference between who their scumbuddies would be? Give teams.

If there isn't much of a difference, why not just lynch those people first and come back to them with more info later?

 

Ah, that makes me feel better.

well here is what actually happened.

yesterday I replaced in. I proceeded to read and ask the sensible things

then today I had the seminar and a really stressful study where I had to stand at a spot and stare at a wall for 2,5 hours straight and then I learned that I have the aforementioned exam tomorrow whose date I had forgotten. I got home at a bit before 8 pm and decided to do the unreasonable thing and do the reread because I had promised I would and I like to keep promises. at this point I had forgotten about my earlier question entirely.

your narrative there is valid enough I guess, but wrong. I mean you're basically saying that I townslipped therefore I'm scum because the slip is faked. that's possible from your PoV but mere wifom (and it's not true).

about me not solving the game, I mean, maybe I'm really bad at doing replacements, I've never done it before, but the easiest way to actually get a grasp of a game is to read it chronologically. all day 2 stuff is either based on interactions that I haven't read yet, or on setup information that I mostly don't understand because I haven't studied the setup sufficiently. the approach seemed sensible to me. I also don't see how that invalidates the Jan & snow reads.

oh and I wasn't "begging", whoever said that, it is a lie. I always just said what I was planing to do, and you are free to with that what you want. If you conclude that I am mafia, do the lynching thing, if you conclude I'm town, lynch someone else instead.

(off to sleep now).

 

Ok, I actually wasn't worried about the Bill Door thing at all. I understand that mechanics are confusing, the claim was yesterday, and the explanation is kind of complicated.

And most of the game thought he was scum yesterday too. That's why we tried to lynch him.

I was far more worried about this one:

You know, the guy that's modconfirmed town in large blue letters in a post that's linked from the OP and the first thing you read.

Other people can chime in on whether this is a derp!clear or mafia doing useless work.

I'm sorry about my tone right there. I can be a little bit too pushy sometimes. But in order:

Please don't tell me anything about your real life. You can say "I had Real Life Stuff" without any details, and I'll believe it 100%.

I'm not accepting applications myself for derp clears at the moment. Atum and Citrus already got theirs rejected.

Your approach was sensible, and what I would have done. That's why I find you ignoring the answer to your sensible question so worrying. None of this invalidates your Jan or snow reads at all, they aren't at issue with me (I disagree on snowvon, sure, but that's an actual conversation I'd like to have with you)

I didn't say you /were/ begging, I said you were /going to/ beg to have time to reread when you realized that 2/3s of your proposed scum team are mod-confirmed town. Because if I found out that I was that wrong, I'd ask for time and want to reread. The scummy part isn't that, its that actions you said you already took would have prevented this, so I was preempting a scum stalling tactic.

 

Someone assuming competence is a sure sign they've never played a game here before.

 

I read a little of his Champs game whike trying to figure out why jan is being townread. Silver is competent.

 

I don't really approach the game this way and I'm on my phone, so this is going to come out a bit stream of conciousness.

I feel that if we consider Delph scum, Jan is more likely town (he went soft on her EoD 1), and Tom is more likely scum (he really didn't want to put a vote down on her). And vice-versa.

So I'd say:
Tom/Delph/silver (what a wonderful, perfect world)

Assuming it isn't that easy, considering 85 and 87, we have 3 groups he mentioned early. One is font/jan/citrus - if there's one there, it's citrus. The second is Delph, Waco and you - Delph is the witch if there's one there. The last is von, atum and kai - Kai if there's one there. That leaves a final group of me, BD and silver - silver would be the witch there.

I like he'd be unlikely to try and place 2 scum into his scum reads early, which means it's likely that only one of Citrus and Delph are scum (from 115). Given the way it played out, I'd say it was probably Delph? He pokes her after, but over something kind of silly with fonts arguing against it, so no real danger of getting her lynched.

Tends to keep a positive to null view on sesc throughout.
Tends to keep a negative view on Kai.
Not sure where I'd place his stance on Citrus? Meh.

So yeah, Tom's partners are Delph (most likely), Sesc/silver, Kai, Citrus. In that order, maybe.

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Jan is less likely to be on a team with Delph, I think. Also, he is less likely to be scum at this point. But fontisian has to be reconsidered with scum!Jan, I think, due to how she has hard defended him. Kai is always an issue. Still silver, for independent scumminess. And then maybe Citrus again?

So some combination of fontisian, Kai, silver and Citrus. Less thought on this world because I think it's less likely at this juncture.

 

Hey Typhon, could you explain your read on Fontisian? The best I can find is: "willing to accept fonti’s reads in 159 until she is likely scum or scumfirmed" in #904 which is really...100% empty and practically avoids reading her. You proceed to name-drop her in more recent posts in groups of potential scum but then just confidently eliminate her, and going through the last few pages the above quote is the only 'concrete' thing I could find

 

Yes, but my walkthrough thing was current. And it wasn't that you were being pinged, because you responded to something I said iirc, and I didn't ping you.

The issue was to me it all felt very contrived, like you were attempting to dip into the mindset of a town taking in the game for the first time as scum and were just a bit off. Anybody who read day 2 should've known Waco was dead. Anybody who was following the current thread enough to respond to comments about themselves should've seen the Bill Door discussion. If you were in the Champions game, incompetence is unlikely. So that leaves us with something scummy.

 

The part that stuck out to me specifically is: "One is font/jan/citrus - if there's one there, it's citrus"

I understand why you'd eliminate Jan with those priors based off Fontisian hard town-reading Jan (or if that's not why then could you explain your reasoning?), but I don't get why you immediately also eliminated Fontisian

 

I mean, I don't eliminate her at all. I think there's a fair chance she's scum if Jan is; I'd he's town, she is more likely to be. I just wouldn't put her in my "needs lynching" list, because 1. I don't think Jan is scum because I think Tom is and I'm pretty sure they aren't w/w, and 2. She's terse and closed off in a way that I don't read well, and also self-resolves in that she's probably scum if she's alive day 3-4, and almost definitely scum if she survives 4+. Fontisian belongs to a group that is to be dealt with later, if necessary.

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Ahh. That is specifically considering Tom is scum, and 100% has more to do with him than either you or fontisian - number of mentions, quality of mentions, etc. It's also worth noting that I think the game is over before I get to you in that world, if we lynch down my scum list. And if she should be dead by the time we get ready to lynch you regardless. If not, then obviously things should be reevaluated.

But then, again, this seems unlikely to me, so I didn't write all of this in to the main post.

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Phone posting is really just the best.

 

What do you mean by "I think the game is over before we get to you"? If I'm potentially scum, the game can't end without lynching me right? I'm a little confused still

 

Pretty sure silver was exhausted enough that he confused the info he knew from the thread with the info he learned from scumchat.

 

delph/jan/typh could totally be a thing.

@Citric I'm coming for you in a couple hours. You gonna be around?

 

I'm going to lynch you, attempted breaker of the poe.

 

I'm not sure if I'm explaining this poorly or if it's something else.

I think Tom is scum. I think that means Delphine was probably scum. I think that with those 2 scum eliminated, the final scum is probably silver or Kai. I would lynch in the order those names appear. Thus, if one of them is scum as I suspect, the game will be over in 2-3 nights. I wouldn't lynch you until just prior to the 4th night. Also, if fontisian is still alive then, I would consider her at that point because she should be dead, along with mallorean.