Lol, you probably discussed this with proph last night.

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How do you figure that?

You being the counterwagon doesn't clear you.

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Also, miner11121 who else are you suspicious of?

For most of the game, you were focused on Jarizok and Majube. And then you come into today with just vote KaiDash? I need to seem more from you.

 

Anyone here?

 

So, this is how I view the gamestate right now, prior to analyzing the Jarizok flip (since I don't think anyone has done so in detail aside from mal).

Delphine
Majube
Zenzao
The Waco Kid

Prophylaxis
owner
miner11121
mallorean_thug
KaiDASH
his fluffiness
Citrus
Bill Door

Jarizok

I am town.

There are two scum in these seven names. Stunning analysis, I know. Still, with eight alive, we have a mislynch to spare.

Prophylaxis
owner
miner11121
mallorean_thug
KaiDASH
his fluffiness
Citrus
Bill Door

Jarizok


I view owner as nearly confirmed town because there was no nightkill N1, and Majube revealed that she docced owner. In addition, she claimed a investigative power role and has not been counterclaimed. Even though she does not have results for us, I still believe that she is pretty much lock-town. I do not really understand why she is pushing on me, though, and my aim for Today is for her to realize that she is wrong and that she should pick someone else to tunnel.

Prophylaxis
owner
mallorean_thug
miner11121
KaiDASH
his fluffiness
Citrus
Bill Door

Jarizok

The two greens here are behavioral reads.

I believe that mallorean_thug is town because I do not think that he would go to such lengths to defend me if he was scum - I think he would just score the free mislynch and close it. He could theoretically be pocketing me, but does he really go after Zenzao, one of the most widely read townies, as scum? I have a feeling that if he was scum with Jarizok that he would manipulate things a lot more so that he would be more townie than he actually is, right now. And since he didn't take those steps, I think he is town.

miner I think is town because he has pushed on Jarizok the hardest and in addition, he has had some very townie posts and has this sort of genuineness that is difficult to fake in my experience. Posts #1002, #968, #845, and #892 are all pretty townie.

Two scum in four names. Kai, fluff, Citrus, and Bill Door. I am going to narrow this down by diving deep into Jarizok interactions, of which I should have a fairly substantive post tomorrow. I have to say that fluff feels pretty townie to me from his most recent posts and that Kai's vanilla claim feels pretty out of the blue.

I think I'd like my vote to go here for the time being, though:

Vote Citrus

His votes on me feel very slimy.

 

Yeah Zenzao's death doesn't really change anything other than affording us one less mislynch. I still think Kai and Citrus scum, we can lynch them in whatever order. People are on Citrus so

Vote Citrus

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I kinda did it at the start of yesterday too.

 

Everyone, can you give your current readwall?

Mine goes as such:

Fluff
Owner
miner
Bill
Proph
mal
Kai
Citrus

 

lynch prophylaxis



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Actually I just realized I got the order wrong.

I should lock him up then lynch him.

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Hey thought experiment guys.

If you think I'm scum, then my scumteam has the Weasley twins as safe flavor claims.

Following that, the best role claim we came up with was that the canonically dead twin has bulletproof and the other is vanilla.

Thanks for your consideration.

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I mean, I get that people don't rate me anymore but really.

Like, I'd have to have literally done nothing but shitpost through the entire game for that to actually be our plan come end of day 2.

 

his post 1002:

For me, this wording felt awkward/maybe even a little forced. This statement is kind of like "Isn't everyone doing this?" This feels like he grasping at words trying to say something different. This seems like it was thrown in to account when he is wrong. It's not a when it is an is. He knows he's going to be wrong so he's gotta say something to make him less bad when he is in fact wrong.

Yes, you are a new player. But you still know the ropes. I think on my home site after about 4-6 games is when you feel like you better understand how the game works. You will still grow and learn with more experience. I wouldn't necessarily say inexperienced players are easier to read. Inexperienced players are more likely to say something scummy even when they are not scum.

Redundant. lol, specific tells that you have never heard before maybe but even then you are degrading your scum hunting skills by saying that.

You didn't want a no lynch, but your weren't convinced on the Delphine lynch? huh? You're saying you thought Delphine was town even though she was pushing on you?

Did you say this anywhere day 1?

lol rereading this, it looks like he'll only look at proph if I get a check for him lol #ownerseestheconnectioneverytime

Why?

So in by saying this, are you saying that you trying to play different from last game?

Miner's 968 post

townish questions

You keep harping on the doubt that she isn't really scum. The problem with this is that what were your others reads? You only seriously had one of Jarizok and Majube is scum. So you were going to reconsider on Jarizok if Majube flipped town or were you going to reconsider after the Jarizok flip. I guess the issue I'm having is that you weren't pushing on any other reads so to say that you were going to reconsider all your reads feels funny to me when you haven't been clear on any other reads. Sure, you have given a reads list, but at that point you had only pushed on Majube and Jarizok. And then there's the whole matter of how long it took for you to vote.

Miner's post:

I would call this truthful not genuine. A lot of scum will say true statements while playing the game. It's like he's recounting what little he knows about kai. Genuine posts have a feel to them.

miner's 892 post

Right off the bat, you are ignoring how I just made a huge wall discussing how I feel that you, Jarizok, and Proph are all mafia together. You say you like the effort and dislike the read, but then you clearly ignore that have pushed on Jarizok when you say that.

I see real connections between all three of you.

So? You said you voted for her even though you didn't feel strongly about her being scum.

Yeah, there's this thing called bussing. The both of you should know this quite well.

Directed at Proph, People bus all the time. You should know that by now.

Humor me. Your Vanilla Harry Potter claim after saying you'd die for me doesn't give you any townie points in my book.

And then here you vote for Citrus. You talk all big about interactions with Jarizok, but here you don't quote any.

 

owner
I am also suspicious of the fact that mal is not playing the way he did in all previous games when he was town. And the Zenzao push was very out of the blue.
If Kai/Citrus does not end the game, then I will want to review Bill, but as of right now I think he's town.

The first statement in post 1002 wasn't out of the blue. It was in response to when you asked, rather rhetorically, if I was trying to lynch all the scum... Stop trying to pin wording on me when it's almost always in response to this tunneling of yours.

I never said I was the inexperienced player. I said that I felt pushing inexperienced players was easier because I'd been an inexperienced player not long ago, implying that I felt I had enough experience to truly get into a game. Which also makes your next quote just moot.

Hi, I was wrong about Maj, and therefore there are no connections to be made. Proph is not towncleared, but you'll understand why I doubt your push don't you?

I made it clear in #760 that Delphine was not a lynch I was sure on. At that point I was still pushing on Maj/Jarizok, but they weren't wagons and Delphine was the flash wagon everyone moved to. And you don't exactly have a lot of time to express everything with ~20 mins to deadline and no one hitting soft lynch yet.

I try to play different in every game.

I'm pretty sure I didn't answer all of your questions, but I'm pretty sure I answered the big ones.

Like, we can continue to do this for the rest of the day, but I'm keeping my vote on Kai (and I will move to Citrus if EOD comes around and no hard lynch has occurred). I would like discussion on Kai/Citrus

 

Why do you think lynching me and citrus will end the game?

Also just for my own reference can you give me the posts that most strongly affected your read on Jarizok?

 

Miner in your day 1 reads, Proph and HF were in your next tier of scum reads. Where did those reads go? Why are you pushing on Citrus and Kai instead of those two?

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This is from your day 2 reads list. Why is Kai moved to the bottom when miner was listed as lower than him?

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I'm talking about in conjunction with your reads today, proph.

 

KaiDASH

RVS interactions, d1 post drop off when Delphine was brought up/during the period when owner was taking fire for her claim. Whenever the thread was going towards a PR lynch on owner, Jarizok disappeared, only reappearing to vote for Delphine, most likely to blend with town. He gave very little justification for his vote.
owner

HF I already talked about. Proph I moved to null because I don't think scum!Proph replacing in would put this little effort into the game and ALSO offer to be lynched for two days.
No I'm not clearing Proph. You would have to convince me to lynch Proph today, but he's not part of the group that I absolutely will not lynch today (that would be you and HF).

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Also Kai, I never said it would definitively end, but on the off chance that you are both scum, then the game would end.

That's why I mentioned what would happen afterward if game didn't end...

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miner
HF
owner
Bill
mal
Proph
Citrus
Kai

 

So you don't even believe Kai and Citrus are scum together? lol

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You're pushing on slightly pushing on Kai and Citrus, but you in no way really support or believe that they are a team?

 

We have a mislynch. I'm fairly sure there's a scum between them based on votal analysis.

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owner, I'm willing to vote with you if you convince me. But you haven't done much to convince me. You've been trying to push your Jarizok/me/Proph world for the past two days. I don't see what you see, and I don't think anyone else sees what you see either.

Suppose you're wrong. What would be the other worlds you'd consider then?

Like, you accuse me of having only one read all game, but you have no other reads right now either.

 

Thing is, you haven't really done much but shitpost this game. There are 8 players alive, most likely 2 scum and I'm willing to say that me, owner, fluff, probably miner and probably mal thug are town. I'm leaning towards proph being town too but not confident enough in that.

By my maths we get three more lynches before we lose if we don't hit any scum, 4 if we hit one. There's no way I'm letting you lurk way to the end, you're dying one way or another.

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Similarly, I'm probably not gonna let proph endgame. My ideal lynch path is kai/citrus in w/e order then proph. If game isn't over flip a coin between mal thug and miner, would probably depend on which of the first 3 flipped scum.

 

We have 8. That's 2 lynches if we don't hit any scum, and 3 if we do.

 

Yeah you're right. Same lynch order applies.

 

Let's look at this. Both your reads have entirely flipped now. My two remaining reads on you and Proph have not flipped. Why are you so against lynching Proph?

 

Pls.

Read #1433.

Build your case. If your case is essentially "his interactions with Jarizok and miner make me see them as the scumteam" and you're not willing to consider any other possibility, then I am not going to vote with you. I think Kai/Citrus is the better lynch today.

I'm not unwilling to lynch proph. There are 2 votes on proph right now (I believe). Tell me why I should flip to Proph.

 

Please explain to me how he has been different.

Also, please explain why that's suspicious? (as didn't you say you play differently each game) If that's truly the case, why is me pushing on so bad?

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miner11121

I think I would be dead if I was wrong.

 

He isn't posting as much as he usually does, and he's been all over the place with his pushes.

Yes, he's playing different. But I'm not saying he's scum. I'm suspicious of his behaviour, but unless he does something that really jumps out at me, I probably won't lynch him today.

Please clarify your last sentence.

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If you were wrong, why would you be dead? You've been on this tunnel for the past 2 days. You are not switching. Any scum reading this would be rolling around laughing because they don't even need to kill you because you're making their life so much easier. They can literally get away with lurking while town points fingers at each other and gets nowhere.