How does this work out if your blab reread shows up blab as scum? How do you feel about Miner? Do you think #1411 is a hard bus by font?

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Caught scum detected. :V

(@KaiDASH - For reference, here's post #1411:

comes right after Q points out something about Zen, you'll want to go back and check out the context)

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(ok seriously though Sotek has this thing called the Universal Scumtell: Basically, it's fighting townfirms.

My take on this is that it's basically "fighting townblocs when they would lead to you losing as scum if they held together". It's not a slam dunk in the sense that if the townbloc has a bunch of scum in it the player doing this can be town, but it's still pretty solid.

Anyway, this is what Miner is doing, so it reads as "if that townbloc holds, I will lose, so I have to fight it")

 

Kai and Miner fighting over who can react the worst under pressure.

 

I think you need to reevaluate the game dC.

 

Great! Which of my stated reads today do you disagree on, and why?

 

This.

I very much don't believe in your Kai townread, and I think it's extremely weird that you want Cobalt to participate more and yet are comfortable putting him in your townblock.

At any rate, what's your current team or worlds?

 

For posterity:

I'm town. Vaimes shot a scum. Fable has been hitting scum pushes all game. Cobalt pushed Zen really hard.

fontisian pushed Zen a little softer and has been generally useful. Kai hopped off a known town wagon onto pie when doing this as scum would be pointless and arbitrary. pie had legitimate-looking reactions to Reg's case, and has put more effort in than I'd expect from scum!pie based on some old games I read. Stanari has had townie interactions all game, especially late yesterday. Regfan has designated a town bloc that, if followed, cases scum!Reg to lose

That leaves yourself and Blab with no real disqualifying characteristics. So which of these things, specifically, are you challenging? (Note I'm assuming one of Reg/font/kai/Stanari could be scum in addition to you two at this stage)

 

Actually, I don't think even you believe in your Kai townread.

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Yeah you definitely don't believe in your Kai townread. Kai hopping off Jari onto pie does what exactly? Since you're townreading pie, he essentially hopped off a town wagon onto another town wagon.

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??????

Those were, as far as I remember, some of the only townie interactions she's had.

 

EBWOP: To formalize, some possible scum worlds are:

Miner/blab plus any of font/Stanari/KaiDASH/no additional scum
Regfan plus any of font/Stanari plus any of font/Stanari/Miner/blab/KaiDASH/no additional scum

I think this is more or less it. I guess something like font/blab/Kai or whatever is possible, but it seems fringe.

As for Kai...I dunno. It feels like the Jarizok lynch version 2. And I've played with Kai before, and he's usually kind of mislynch bait-y if I remember right. He's more likely scum if Reg is town, but then if Reg is town then you're probably scum with him :/

As for Cobalt, it's very simple. Do you think Cobalt's actions on the Zenzao wagon when Zen was lynched were an extremely hard bus? Before Zen was even looking particularly unhealthy? If not, Cobalt must be town.

 

Miner are you calling dC a wolf? I can't tell.

 

Okay. Stanari-wise, she's been relatively inactive and weird sometimes but has improved as the game has progressed. This townread is fairly consensus, so some of it comes from other townreads supporting it.

Kai-wise, okay let's say you're scum!Kai. You're currently on Jarizok, who is town. pienyan, also town, is being run up. What is your motivation to hop onto pie when this is just going to draw attention to yourself? This is admittedly weak and Kai could be scum, but like I said if Kai is scum I think you're one of his most likely buddies. If his play IS scumplay, it's the sort of scumplay that gets bussed.

Also I still REALLY hate #1518 from you, and this whole exchange where you're trying to ensure there are enough possible mislynches in the game to still be able to win. Not to mention the whole "suddenly becoming very active when attacked" thing.

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(I guess I should add that Reg COULD be the only scum in his town group, but in that case it's trivial to win by just lynching him at the end so I'm not really worried about this world so much)

 

I don't agree with your reasoning on Kai at all. Like if those were v/v wagons why couldn't he switch up his vote there wasn't any downside to doing so.

 

I mean, my argument is there WAS a downside: it draws attention to him pointlessly.

We've got at least one spare lynch though, so I don't mind knocking him over. It's mostly a "feels" read anyway, the whole wagon hop thing is a minor part of it but the only "solid" part I actually had.

 

I'm looking at that possibility. He isn't someone I'd want to lynch anytime soon, but if the game goes later I just don't think his reads here are correct.

Like, sure Kai is mislynch bait almost always, you are correct, but there's a very good reason why that is the case, and it's because his play is ???.

Like, I don't see your point at all wrt to pie/Jari and him switching wagons. If they're both villager wagons, why wouldn't he switch? Pie is almost always a harder lynch than jari, so seeing pie run up a little could definitely be in his interest, esp. because if pie is town reg almost always gets lynched at some point in this game.

 

Yeah I just disagree.

Nobody wants to lynch kai over that, they want to lynch him cuz he's been flip-floppy and useless.

 

RWBY Mafia Votal 4.3.

Reg [3]: Pienyan, Kai, Miner.
Kai [2]: Blab, Reg.
Blab [1]: Vaimes.
Miner [1]: DC.

Not Voting [4]: Cobalt, Fable, Font, Stanari.

With 11 votes alive, it will be 6 votes to soft lynch and 9 votes to hard lynch.

 

Cute.

/10char

 

Gun to your head what is dC's alignment right now IYO.

I don't want "I'll figure it out later."

 

Sort of townreading Kai now.

Hmm.

Can anyone describe his scumgame?

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Vote: Miner

 

Fable

I still am pretty sure Regfan is town. I was sus of Pie since earlygame but there's a difference in the way they both read each other. I think that while they both use logic and proper scumhunting examples, Pienyan relies a little too much on insisting that this is not how town Regfan plays and is pushing their meta as a reason why he's scum and she isn't. I just don't really buy it that much. And her post about how he doesn't care about an emotional response is just ??? because lots of players respond to AtEs in different ways and I think it's just a natural thing for Regfan to be all Vulcan logical about it.

Shrugs. All I know is that it needs to resolve sooner rather than later.

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Stanari

Kai has managed to get away with doing absolutely jack shit and having zero original reads of his own while keeping himself in an opportunistic position so that he can jump on whatever wagon develops on town that he thinks will go through.

That being said, I'm sticking with Regfan. Lynch:Kai

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Separate line whoops.

Lynch: Kai