I'm not entirely decided at all? If I was I'd be pushing people into throwing down a vote now. I'm still trying to piece it together myself; I still think if he's mafia here then we're way under-powered setup spec wise and that's something I'm really having difficulty with right now and think I'll probably make my ultimate decision based on how Pie responds to this if she gets a chance as well as Cobalts explanation behind the questions he's been asked.

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Fact that I prodded Pie to throw a vote down so we have both options available later should tell you that I've not entirely made my mind up yet? Talk with me briefly about some world building; Cobalt+Miner+ who?

 

I'm gonna caution against setup balance arguments again, town MIGHT just be underpowered. It happens, and in some ways is the scenario we should ASSUME since it's worst for us.

Hm. Maybe that means lynching Cobalt is the best hedge.

Other option is we COULD lynch Miner and leave scum with the decision to either:
- Kill Cobalt, resolving the quandary for us
- Not kill Cobalt:
-- Cobalt is town, gets extra check. This is actually not particularly valuable since pie just performs the kill again and the other scum avoid visiting. Don't think this is -EV because it's such an obvious way to mitigate.
-- Cobalt is scum. Fine, resolve Cobalt/pie tomorrow.

Main risk is Miner flips town and flipping another town in Cobalt/pie leaves us in a tight spot.

Bleh. None of these options feel good. pie feels sincere in all her entrance posts, but then there's the cobalt hardbus on Zen...

...although if Cobalt was planning a big fakeclaim gambit, then a hard bus for town credit might have been part and parcel of that. That's how I did it in FTL, anyway...well, sort of.

Bah.

Other advantage to Miner lynch is that pie might become more active tomorrow if we put off resolving that mess for a day. I don't think that should really be taken into consideration though.

 

Pretty sure if we lynch outside of Cobalt/Pie and we don't hit exactly the roleblocker then Cobalt will either be roleblocked or claim roleblocked and never actually shot there so it's not really worth it? Best to resolve it between them today.

 

People who I don't think are aligned with cobalt:

Vaimes, Pein, Kai, Reg, probably stanari and maybe fonti?

That leaves

Miner
dC
Blab

Miner seems likely so dC or blab so probably blab just based on my reads prior to cobalt's claim?

 

See that's exactly where I'm at too?

Like I think if Cobalts mafia it's something like Cobalt/Miner/Blab, maybe throw in Stanari somewhere there and DC isn't impossible interactions wise but I've got a town read on him so it feels like we beat the world that Cobalts mafia in pretty easily?

 

Yeah I'm not doing this for another day, we only ever lynch between cobalt/pein today. Like I'm not doing a probably over a certainty that makes no sense.

 

Man.

It really is tempting to just vote Cobalt and say fuck it, if he's town it's entirely on him for fake claiming and gambiting, it's by far my biggest pet peeve in the game of mafia. If people were just straight up honest with their claims/roles it'd be so easy.

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Yeah.

Unvote, Vote: Cobalt

You're really going to have to explain the point of the "5 scum" gambit was (and "to get reactions") isn't a thing because it's not a roleclaim that really elicits huge alignment indicative reactions. Similarly you're going to have to explain the complete lack of interaction with Pie, I know if I had a guilty I'd attempt to draw some information that's readable out of the person it was on before I outed it, I don't see that from you anywhere in your posts today.

 

Yeah so, someone who apparently had a tracker guilty on me and trusts Reg a lot sees Reg struggling to read me, keeping me as a pocket scum read but struggling to figure out what the best way to take the day is and not having any clue what is going on, and then reacts by reaffirming Reg's read on ... Kai. Not me.

Totally legit, amirite.

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Town who has just fucking confirmed that Reg's push on me the entirety of D3 was correct does not just sit there and watch as Reg goes "oh I need to do a reset on this game" and stops his push on me from D3. It's just, no.

 

sssshhhh, we're not allowed sanity here.

Anyway thoughts on who you think the rest of the wolves are?

 

Pfff, forgot about the roleblocker. Okay yeah no point leaving it unresolved.

Only reservation about knocking over Cobalt is that, as you say, scum!Cobalt worlds are so much easier. So I feel like even if we DO lynch pie and miss we can probably still win fine, and I'm not 100% the same is true if we lynch Cobalt and miss.

Ehh, on the other hand I think pie being scum leads to a bunch of interaction clears? Reg at an absolute minimum, and pie had a wagon on her earlier that got diverted off to Jarizok which should be full of interesting information.

Well, I think my prior townreads on both of them will make it hard for me to make a decision, so I'm happy to go along with whatever.

...except my Cobalt read has been entirely based on "feels" and the whole Zen bus so if one of the two is wrong it's probably that one (the pie one being based on a much more solid play pattern)

Alright. Stupid claim chain AND general inactivity is enough bad townplay to convince me. Lynch: Cobalt

 

I'm not really qualified to answer this until I actually read all the stuff I missed and look at whatever supposedly happened that made Reg/Cobalt not aligned. I'll answer this tomorrow (or probably I can call it "later today" at this point -.-).

 

I'm VT.

I have work, be back in a bit.

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Also, good luck pie, hope everything works out.

 

Fable, here's Newcombs last closed setup;

Town

Mr. Wednesday, Universal Backup - Plotless
Shadow Moon, Bodyguard - Elemental
Czernobog, Desperado - fontisian
Low-Key Lyesmith, Ascetic - ljtrigirl
Mr. Jacquel, Conditional Tracker - demonturtle
Hinzelmann, Protective JoaT - Koalas
Mr. Ibis, Day Reporter - Snowvon
Samantha Black Crow, Targeted Innocent Child - Tempus Fugit
Laura Moon, Vanilla Town - Blorcyn
Mr. Nancy, Vanilla Town - weiyaoli
Mad Sweeney, Vanilla Town - Banks
Bilquis, Vanilla Town - EvilOftenWins

Mafia

The Technical Boy, Conditional Rolecop/Roleblocker - Citrus
Media, Neighborizer - Jan
The Black Hats, Goon - Titus
The Intangibles, Goon - TMNTurtwig

4 scum with only 2 PRs in the scums team, town had 8 PR's, not all of them strong and not all of them useful but are we really in a situation where we have 5 PR's with two of them being pretty useless against 5 scum who have 3 PR's minimum? Like ugh.

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I'm going to feel really fucking stupid if we ML Cobalt when setupspec has him as obvtown.

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I hate this and I should have fallen asleep hours ago.

Going to give it another try.

 

Also, I feel like people forgot scum Trackers exist. I was one recently-ish!

Vote Cobalt

We have the numbers and a guaranteed one for one so whatever.

 

Newcomb stated this postgame;

So he thought 12-4 was scum sided and instead ran this 13-5, gave town less power and scum more power? Like, this just doesn't make a lot of sense with Cobalt being mafia here.

 

Bah.

Unvote

will reassess in the morning, would rather no hammer overnight.

 

Y'all are not fucking lynching me with zero other actual town info PRs claimed, the fuck?

Pie returns for 0.3 seconds and you're just gonna let her steamroll you? lmao.

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There is ZERO, wait for it, ZERO downside to lynching Pie first. You'll see that I'm town and I will die anyway, so the entire situation will be resolved.

Lynching me first you will need to waste an entire extra day phase lynching Pien.

Notice how she said nothing about not actually having targeted someone last Night. All she did was go off on reasons as to why me / Reg are scum. She didn't back up her vanilla claim, she didn't adjust it according to my track, she made absolutely no reference to her claim whatsoever, BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN CAUGHT IN A LIE.

Let that sink in.

 

RWBY Mafia Votal 4.8.

Cobalt [5]: Blab, Stanari, Pienyan, Reg, Vaimes.
Pienyan [3]: Cobalt, Font, Kai.
Reg [1]: Miner.
Font [1]: Fable.

Not Voting [1]: DC.

With 11 votes alive, it will be 6 votes to soft lynch and 9 votes to hard lynch.

 

Lynching me because "scum Cobalt worlds are easier" is a dumb move dichotomousCreator and only results in scum successfully getting a gamestall out of this.