This is symmetrical setup spec. I think it'd be kind of weird for any of:
- roleblocker/backup roleblocker/rolecop/goon
- roleblocker/backup roleblocker/rolecop/actually good PR

The former b/c it feels unsatisfying and the latter b/c it makes the scumteam overpowered. I guess they could have a fourth PR that's, like, strongman or scumtracker or something else that's bad if town's mechanical power is low? But then that ALSO feels unsatisfying.

Like, if it's 4scum with those roles and town has low PRs then the point is to make it look to scum like town's PRs are stronger than they are. That's what the backup roleblocker is for: To create an illusion of "yo if this roleblocker dies y'all are fucked". I feel like giving the rolecop the same treatment is the most logical flow-on from there.

 

It's just so frustrating that my guilty won't resolve today and you all will waste time because I went about it in the wrong way.

Like I get it, that's on me, but please don't let scum delay the game because I made a couple of mistakes. I don't want that weighing on me too.

 

I'm gonna address some more stuff in a few mins, but I'm going to point out that pretty much everything Cobalt has been saying recently is just dressed-up variations of "omg guys I'm town lynch pie first, trust me omg pls".

There's no substance to it, he's just pleading you all don't lynch him because he has no real logic to explain any of the discrepancies with his claim.

 

Pie said effectively the same thing WRT her scumplay, and without the AtE. This feels like your argument is "You're being stupid you don't wanna be stupid do you?"

Like let's be clear. You're BOTH stupid lynch choices. Whichever of you is scum has done a pretty good job of not looking like someone we want to lynch today. Why exactly is it that we're supposed to accept this reasoning from you, but not from pie? Pie's position is also "there is zero disadvantage to lynching Cobalt first, we lynch scum and the whole situation is resolved, if you lynch me you waste an entire cycle doing that".

tl;dr trusting either of you is stupid because it's mafia and whichever of you is scum is saying the EXACT SAME THINGS but lying about it. Furthermore, scum!Cobalt would be behaving the exact same way so there's no real way to tell you from your scum self based on it.

 

I question if Reg is even reading the same game as me at this point. Cobalt had a lot of meta town reads from early D1, but he had just fell off completely after that and there was very widespread suspicion surrounding his complete lack of anything.

I also still think people who are town reading Reg need to explain the "pie is emotionally manipulative". He isn't such a bad player to where he gets caught up in making such blatantly wrong arguments purely out of conviction.

 

You repeating this does nothing for me ftr, it's an argument either of can present and means pretty much nothing. It's just a "DONT LYNCH ME" thing. Instead try and explain a little more what you were trying to do with your posts today knowing you had a guilty on Pie inside them. Why did you never address Pie directly? Why did you not see who would vote Pie before you outed the guilty? What was the point of the "5 scum" claim at all? Some answers please dude.

 

I question if Reg's stuff with Cobalt today is co-ordinated, but like.

I wouldn't ever forget that point even if someone were to show up and claim a fucking innocent result on him. That's how unusual it is. (I'm aware there's no potential for that left in this game, but, you all get the point I'm trying to make.)

 

This doesn't really match my image of town Cobalt.

 

Well if ya didn't want it on you you shouldn't have done it :V

That's the other thing: Your "I claimed N0 setup oracle to gauge reactions" argument is weak, especially because your assessment of those reactions was "anyone who didn't buy my claim, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY FAKE, is scum".

You then fail to really say anything about this apparent gambit beyond your initial post saying it was a gambit, which makes no sense from a perspective of having made that gambit KNOWING you had a guilty. Also you're not saying anything ABOUT this gambit despite it looking like you're going to die now. All this points to the gambit being a throwaway excuse to discard that claim in favour of one that isn't getting you lynched. If it wasn't, you'd be adding in commentary about the info you gleaned from it AND you'd probably be saying more about what you want to happen after you die. Instead you're just arguing to save yourself, b/c you don't ACTUALLY have an investment in us hitting scum after you and pie flip.

Cherry on top is all this AtE you're doing. Yeah yeah, if we lynch you we're fucking up and more likely to lose. That's how it always goes :V

 

I DONT HAVE TIME for logic or explanations I am LITERALLY WORKING RN

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Pien is running circles around me and this is fucking frustrating because it's only because I can't be here 100%

 

So yeah, I think the way Cobalt's original claim was discarded and never referenced again is kind of the final nail here. I don't think town!Cobalt, legitimately making that claim to extract info, completely fails to talk about that info after dropping the claim. So my interpretation of Cobalt's action is scum!Cobalt bailing out of a sinking claim.

 

One hour left!

 

For the record, don't you try to pull the RL card here. You literally pulled this maneuver on me while I was afk dealing with an emergency involving a friend of mine.

I mean this entirely in an out-of-game context. I know you're scum either way.

 

EBWOP: Pie ALSO can't be here 100%, dude. She said as much.

And you can come up with logic to justify any action as town. That's not the problem. The problem is that eventually that logic makes you either scum or town that's incompetent enough it's not believable, and you've crossed that line no matter HOW you justify not talking about your first claim any more.

Like, I don't CARE why you say you did it. It was a bad enough idea I don't think you'd do it.

 

I'm not fucking pulling an RL card I am literally at a restaurant waiting tables right this very second I'm not pulling anything I just CANNOT sit down and respond fully or cohesively because of it

And don't blame me for giving info on you during an emergency like sorry about your situation but that's not my fucking problem and I couldn't have known and I would've told the truth regardless

So the guilt and doubtcasting on me can fuck right off honestly

 

oh and also hilariously I just realized that Zen giving up halfway through his wagon matches Cobalt having a really strong bus position really well. He'd be more willing to do that if he knew a buddy was coming away with a strong position as a result.

 

For fuck's sake.

Have fun losing to Pien Kai Stanari.

 

ok Cobalt the point pie is making is that you're both in the same damn situation so complaining that you're currently waiting tables is unhelpful because pie is currently "whatever pie is doing".

 

Kind of needed? I'm looking through your progression today and left thinking "how does this fit someone that had a guilty, what was the point of the gambit and where the fuck was them attempting to actually get 'reactions' like they claimed they were" with no real answer. Like if you're town here had you just outed the guilty we'd have a slam dunk lynch on Scum!Pie with no questions asked but the way you've gone about it makes it super hard to believe and trust you here.

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Not going to let myself get swayed by AtE alone.

 

Why the hell would we lose to that team? We're probably going to lynch it through right after you flip town, if you flip town. (My read on how town!Cobalt goes is:
- Lynch piescum
- Lynch miner
- Miner flips scum, lynch blab
-- blab flips scum, GG. blab flips town, pick from kai/stanari
- Miner flips town, lynch kai/stanari
This loses to SOME combinations of blab/kai/stanari, which I think we can avoid.

Aaaaalso why do you think miner is town?