Yes? Apparently Pie is too?

If you take a look my vote hasn't been on Pie other than the vanity vote D2,
the ~10 minute period D3 and then for a little while I was assessing Cobalt v Pie D4. But outside of those periods I've been trying to play a "put Pie to the side, solve the game to the point where there's almost certainly only 1 mafia left, then look at Pie if I'm still alive while repeating that I scum read them so if I die they get lynched".

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I mean this shouldn't be news? I've told you that I've not been intending to lynch Pie a few times now and that I'm focusing elsewhere. Heck, I spent the first 3/4 of D4 (Up until Cobalt claimed a guilty on Pie) not even really saying much about Pie at all and attempting to get a read on Kai/You and others.

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This is a large problem I've had with you ftr, since scum want to push the hand and make the Pie v Me happen earlier in the game thus your vote and "Talk about Pie, now" thing happening on D4 when I'd made it clear several times that I didn't want to do that is something I'm scum reading pretty strongly. So if you're somehow town here, it's time to read the game and play along.

 

Well I mean, if you look at the vast majority of your posts from that dayphase I'm pretty sure you were strongly scumreading pie.

Also, don't give me that vote bs because yesterday you were all like "I'm strongly scumreading miner" but didn't vote me either.

 

DC, the amusing thing is I'd have far less posts and there'd be far less walls for people to read if they read them in the first place; I'm having to restate and go into points because I'm getting zero people commenting on huge sections that I want discussion on throughout the game. In your own words what do you think are the stronger points that Vaimes's has put forward for Miner!Town and if you're looking at Miner!Town what are you looking at re; the most likely scum team, I'd have to imagine Blab/Me? or you got a read somewhere that you think we might be wrong somewhere?

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I was scum reading her, I just thought a) If i'm wrong it's a bad move to make the focus between us and b) If I'm right I can't explain the read without ruining the game so I kept tabling her and finding other scum. I'd love for you to explain the motivation behind that though. And I did vote you yesterday? I also did and am voting you today?

What's your reads on the game right now/why?

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Also something is feeling really wrong game state wise.

 

The read I suspect might be wrong is Miner, honestly :V. Like, this is why I'm not pushing him.

Like. Don't get me wrong. I still have a personal scumread on Miner. I'm just not chasing it because I don't really trust myself all that much rn. "Sheeping" in this context actually means sheeping (i.e. blindly following along without considering too much), not "arriving at the same read through the same chain of reasoning"

Although rereading #2720 it is weaker than I remember it (Vaimes phrases it as Cobalt being shruggy about lynching a buddy, which I remember agreeing with, but it kinda looks like it could be distancing to me now). I mean. This is kind of to be expected because if I actually think for myself on it the conclusion is that Miner is probably scum, the issue is just that I've held that read strongly since Jari flipped and I am concerned that it's a tunnel. Besides, you're way more interesting: Miner just insults me when I point out his shitty behaviour, so if I want to lynch him I'll do it nearer the end of the day and not bother talking to him about it much.

In terms of scumteams where Miner is town, it's at least you and if the game isn't over on your flip then it's one of blab/Stanari as well (related: Stanari is not locktown for me yet, but is a tier above blab). Of course, if you flip town then Miner is like guaranteed scum so. The reverse is also kinda true and this does perhaps mean we should start the alignment test with Miner instead of you, but you'll note that similar to you saying despite your heavy scum push on pie you didn't VOTE her very much, I'm not currently voting anyone for a reason.

Anyway if no-one is commenting on your stuff the correct thing to do is not to go into more detail: it's actually to single people out and ASK them to hold a dialogue with you. Bystander effect, or something. Plus, who you ask can be important and valuable. I learned early on that walling your previously undiscussed position doesn't do much to encourage people to discuss it.

 

Regfan
I'll write something with quotes out about dC once I'll get home and on the PC. Just, my townread on dC comes mostly from checking stuff earlier in the game (same with pienyan). dC has actually not made much of an impression on me the last 2 phases, but that's probably because I was so busy.
Want me to look at dC latergame, or explain my read, or both?

And to clarify my scumreads, I consider the following worlds likely:
Regfan
Miner
Miner+x and I'm wrong about one player

Regfan Stanari

Regfan makes no sense with pie or dC (who bringing into the Poe via. "no daychat 5 scum" and stuff) and Fable and Vaimes are really really unlikely to be scum at all.
Regfan Stanari is the only world that would lose to and even that feels super unlikey.
I don't think scum!Reg has a partner.

 

I'll respond to your post in the morning DC.
blab - I'd like you to do both if possible, probably focus more on the later stuff (D4 onward).

 

Vote:dC

I have no idea what I'm doing. \o/

 

Hahahahhaha

I was considering doing that before going to bed and thought "Nah, sleep on it first".

 

I'm sure you're not giving yourself enough credit. But you really should explain WHY you're doing it.

 

I'm pretty sure you've defended every single wolf, I'll put it all together but the way you kept citing Zen as the reason to believe Cobalt was a villager makes me wonder if that whole thing wasn't planned out.

 

Well I recall making a big analysis post early in the game that ended by targeting Waco (this was after the Plotless lynch, central thesis was that Waco looked like he'd either pushed it over Jari or coasted on it if Jari was town, I can go find it if you care) and I don't really remember what I did with Zen (I think I said his walls looked good and then ignored him? I remember being caught by surprise when he ran up and just kind of ignoring it because I had nothing useful to say), but that's a pretty accurate assessment of the Cobalt thing. No excuse for that other than "my reads sucked" :v

Only thing I'd ask you to check is whether I've defended basically everyone at some point or another. I do that sometimes.

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Alright, I'm going to bed. Don't kill me while I'm gone!

 

This is not everything and I'll go through more throughout the day it's just that dC's ISO is kind of huge so I'm doing this in parts.

Spoiler

So all the flipped wolves are in the V section and you say about 101 times how much you love cobalt. This would make sense if you saw cobalt was getting V read early and decided to go deep with him early and why you defended him so much yesterday.

So rereading I hate this in hindsight (and I completely forgot dC tunneling me d1). Like he asks me a question and I answer then he ignores it while paying mroe attention to more sarcasm to blab and then calls me noncommittal when I literally just gave a view on stanari.

Let's defend Zen while shading pein. Though the waco read is okay here it could just be distancing since dC is already making it clear he's not liking some of pein's reads. But saying he'll vote there might look good if he follows through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1TjCphXE

Now to be fair jari was wolfy af so I can't really say too many bad things about this but I will note he is doing this acknowledging nobody is going along with his other wolf reads so him remembering jari here is convenient.

I don't understand him contradicting himself in the third paragraph. "Jari stuck Fable in a good spot where they're probably aligned. Jari and Fable probably not aligned." Wut? Zen read is super gross and I don't like him trying to sneak in cobalt as basically confirmed village here. As I know you're not defending Zen's trash wall on me here.

Also kind of soft blab/dC maybe not a thing in this post?

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That was page 6 of 6, gonna do page 5 of 6 now and then take a break.

 

Not had a chance to read Fables posts about DC yet but been thinking while unable to fall asleep and think there's a lot that points to DC being mafia here. I'll elaborate tomorrow but the two main points that I thought made him town are nullified entirely by scum likely not having aday talk being him not being aware of game start and Zenzao scum claiming at the same time DC defended him. His play yesterday around Cobalt/Pie felt like he was just switching his stance to match whatever I was doing at time and given we are in a world where Pie v me are TvT that has a lot of scum motivation behind it.

I also think his read progression on me today here feels more like 'scum taking stance of thinking I'd be town read and town reading me to match that while having reasons to use/push me lined up later' and felt the way he transitioned from the town read to posting quick walls on things he disliked about my play came across as pre-planned and unnatural. I similarly find his Miner read here pretty hard to grasp and think his interaction with me here didn't feel like him trying to get a read on me. I similarly remember him defending both Zenzao and Cobalt at pretty scum motivated junctions.

Unvote, Vote; DC

Consider that bolded and coloured. Will do so when I'm not on a phone.

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To add to that I think his focus on the whole 'think mafia have a backup rolecop too' stance to feel super weird and actually think he's spent more time talking about that then several players.

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Possible in being silly here but wanted to get it down so I can actually drift off.

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Think I started side-eyeing his posts from D2 onward and then convinced myself that he's never with Zenzao since Zenzao would have told his partners that he was going to claim and not to defend him but if scum don't have daytalk that means nothing. So yeah, reminder for myself to start going back to D2? And reading his posts.

Another thing is I remember Q stating he scum read DC before dying, possible he didn't get a save but was direct shot due to that read.

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Also remember Kai saying Acio kill makes sense for DC too which makes both the Acio & Kai kills make SE sense there too albeit both can just be due to their claims as well I guess so probably doesn't mean as much.

 

A lot of 5 of 6 is pushing on jari which I honestly can't hate on and there's some good pushing on waco but the reasons for doing it might not be great....

Spoiler

Yay more cobalt defense.

Okay not sleeping on waco is good....listing me, Q, and Vaimes together is not.

I think this post is good? So I guess that's 1 point for dC's corner at least.

Pushing people to vote waco also good and I'll point out that dC is a double voter at this time and voting for waco I believe.

Okay pushing vaimes to murder waco also great things might but looking up for DC after all......

Okay dunking waco is less good if you're doing it thinking you get a bunch of mislynches after....

Might have been the reason waco clammed up.

I don't know what this means and I don't like it.

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Also I just realized this is the second game in a row where fonti was killed by another villager (and in pretty much the same way).

lolfonti

 

RWBY Mafia Votal 5.2.

DC [2]: Fable, Reg.
Reg [1]: Miner.
Blab [1]: Vaimes.

Not Voting [4]: Blab, Pienyan, Stanari, DC.

With 8 votes alive, it will be 5 votes to soft lynch and 6 votes to hard lynch.

 

Good morning.

Don't really want to deep read walls right now, waffling on Reg, DC lolwagon looks like fun.

 

Reg, let me make one quick point to you (I still haven't read everything in detail but I'm seeing this come up _again_, so I need to say it):

When you sit there and insist that "you weren't focusing on me" or "you weren't trying to lynch me", that just leads me to believe you're scum attempting to spin an alternate reality until it becomes truth. So don't do that. I don't really care if you're town and just got so caught up in everything that you didn't realize what it was you were doing - just don't.

K?

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Why are we still assuming the game can't be four scum? I don't think that {1-shot dayvig, 1-shot parity cop+neighborizer, DV inventor, BG, Kai's role} is balanced against a 5-person scum team that at least has to have rolecop, backup RB and RB in a 13-5 setup. I think that it is in a 14-4 setup and I still don't understand why Cobalt's claim couldn't have just been done as a way of misdirection before he eventually dies.

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Also Reg, you can't spend however the fuck long pushing that you can't be scum with Cobalt because "you wouldn't let him coordinate a claim like that" and then go back later and say there's no daytalk in the game.

 

Page 4 of 6 of dC's ISO, something something my brain is mush cuz this is taking forever.

Spoiler

Mentioning Zen as a wolf here is a bit odd cuz he's been pretty firm in his V read of him up until this point. I don't know if shading him at all makes sense here but I might be reading too much into it.

A lot of this looks like deflection away from wolves like doing everything he can to make people from suspecting cobalt...

...and he eventually kind of concedes on zen but says jari has to be lynched first. Though tying Zen to jari at all is very weird if dC is a wolf.

I really hate this vote becomes it comes after dC spends a LOT of time saying how pein shouldn't be lynched because he thinks pein/reg is v/v and if that were true mislynching through them could lose us the game so him just turning around and YOLO voting pein is kind of awful.

 

We are not lynching dC. Know why? Because then Reg is just gonna double down on Miner TOMORROW, and that could lose us the game.

I don't buy for a second that town!Reg calls Miner confirmed scum and then votes for dC. Find his partner, fine, but if everything revolves around Miner being scum, you lynch his ass first so that you HAVE to reevaluate if he flips town like I think he will.

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Fable, stop helping Reg put off the Miner lynch.

We are lynching one of them. Maybe blab, if only because I think Cobalt's placement of him is awful and blab volunteering to be lynched is meant to look towny.

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And everyone needs to learn to condense their cases, godddamn. I don't want to read an entire player's ISO reposted.

 

pienyan

We're assuming not 4 scum because if there really are 5 scum then we could lose by not realizing it was mylo/lylo.