Does scum!dC post this after trying to steer the lynch away from Zenzao, only for Zen to scumclaim?

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This also feels town.

 

If neither you or miner are wolves we just always lose I think, also stop confusing me with posts like this. >.>

 

Wait, I just remembered this:

Mafia can communicate with each other and have a nightly kill.

Only highlighting the kill as nightly makes it sound like there actually is Daychat???

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When did we decide that mafia DIDN'T have Daychat? When Zenzao scumclaimed? When Cobalt borked his claim?

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I think Miner is more of a lynchpin to this game and would rather kill him before dC.

And man, I really don't think Newcomb would take away Daychat. He thinks it's necessary + fun, all of the people he likes and looks up to (FS folk) are in support of Daychat. There might be some mechanical thing where they have it sometimes, but taking it away completely is uh. I know there are some scumroles, like an Encryptor that allow Daychat and the mod takes it away when the Encryptor dies.

 

no DDDDD

seriously though, yeah I agree with this (from my end, if Miner isn't a wolf we're probably screwed)
Vaimes --- Actually here let me do it for you. Your current anti-aligns are: dC/Miner, dC/blab, dC/Regfan, and Regfan/Miner.

...wait. You have me as anti-aligned with all three of the other people in the list. How does this make any sense? I'm guessing you still think dC/blab is kind of a possibility?

In that case, your current situation boils down to "one of dC/Miner/Regfan is scum with blab". If this isn't a conclusion you like, then one of your premises is probably incorrect.

PREVIEW EDIT: Agree on daychat. Not sure how it's relevant? I haven't been factoring possible scum chat configurations into my reads, at any rate

 

Well, Regfan's townread on you weighed pretty heavily on there being Daychat, sooo.

 

Vaimes - I've been told that comment doesn't insinuate there is day chat and I don't think 5 scum + day chat is likely here. I also don't think we're in a world of 4 here; 5 scum no day chat is most plausible.

 

Where did I rule out dC/Miner?

I think I'd honestly just plow through blab > Miner > Reg.

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By whom?

ten

 

You've been ruling them out for ages "He didn't list all scum together!!!!!!!111111111". And by god.

 

It might actually make more sense to go miner today since I can see him with more people than dC.

 

Uh...

It was this whole thing. Fable got mad at you for it :v

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(EBWOP: Actually, I have never played in a game without scum daychat. What differences are usually observed?)

 

First of all, bite me, scum.

Second of all, I've only been looking at Cobalt's and blab's. Nothing about dC/Miner there.

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Ah, right. I thought you meant there was a post BY you or Miner.

 

Nah. I'm assessing your reads from an external perspective, and I just find it odd that they seem to conclude that blab is scum in any world where all the scum are in {dC/blab/Regfan/Miner} since you have "Reg is only scum with blab out of those" and "dC/Miner is not a thing"

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(EBWOP: Although less odd now that you've proposed a lynch order starting with blab :V)

 

Let's get this straight you're proposing two things based on Cobalts reads 1) That it points towards Blab being mafia since Cobalt would probably have been inclined to list someone that was scum as mafia and 2) That DC and Miners placements make them 'not mafia' and 'especially not mafia together'. I think the logic in 1) is sound but not a smoking gun and I think the logic in 2) is a really weak reason to rule them out.

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pienyan - Can you be at online in ~5 hours to chat?

 

I don't think that wording implies anything about chat.

My playing to wincon right now is getting out of the way, letting the analysts do their thing, and sheeping whichever one sounds sanest.

 

I don't think I've been explaining my concern and ?? with your play today properly DC but here goes a final attempt at it. I think there's enough logic that points towards we're dealing with 5 scum, thus 2 alive at the moment; I think you to some extent agree with this stance. You currently have Miner/Blab as unaligned, you also have Me/Blab as unaligned and you aren't particularly sold on a world existing of Miner/Me though haven't hard ruled this out.

This means there should be more than enough telling you "something is wrong" and just going "well, if it's not solvable" or "I've run out of energy" when we've hit a real crucial stage of the game just doesn't feel right given you're still posting up a storm. Like, are we wrong on one of Fable/Pie/Stanari? Which one? Why? There's no attempt to resolve this from you.

 

This is exactly what I want you not to do. This is not the part of the game where anyone should be allowed to skate by. Not even saying that cuz I suspect cuz I don't (well not really anyway) but we need input from everyone.

 

Like if you're town we're probably losing to every team of 2 in the game and given we're against a team of 2 95% of the time here you'd need to be stepping back and re-looking. Where have I and others gone wrong?

 

I usually struggle to build worlds so this might be a bit of a futile exercise. Tonight is "throw notes at the dartboard until they stick" night though so I'll see what I can do.

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Yes! I am do the things! If you want to give me a starting point that helps! Otherwise I'll play associative dartboards for an hour and go to bed feeling like I have zero grip on this game!

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Hey look an interesting Cobalt post I found in my notes!

 

I don't think you're wrong on any of those. What I'm saying is that if you ARE, I don't have the tools to find out. If it makes you feel better, "I think it's impossible for those people to be scum". I don't really think it's IMPOSSIBLE impossible (never say never) but as far as my gamestate analysis is concerned as may as well.

I don't buy that we're necessarily in 5scum world. It's probable given how Cobalt went down, but it's a moot point anyway because worldbuilding 4scum should be reserved for when it becomes apparent we haven't hit XYLO when we should have. So let's assume 5scum.

I'm actually pretty sold on Miner/you. I mean my lynch chain was myself/Miner/you, right? The scumteam has already shown bussing tendencies, and a scumteam with you would show even MORE of that based on your treatment of Cobalt, so I'm inclined to interpret you/Miner as crossbussers in this scenario.

That said, I'm still willing to talk about blab. My interpretation is still that he wouldn't gamble the entire game on not being listened to, but I'm less sure about that than I WAS.

 

Also is this progression kind of weird or?