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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Erotic Adventures of S, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. Erotic Adventures of S

    Erotic Adventures of S Denarii Host

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    Voldemort wanted 7 horcruxes as it was the most magically powerful. But he didn't have 7. With Harry he had 8.

    Would Seven of actually been more "powerful". If so, how?

    How did not having seven effect them?
     
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    Well, we don't actually know how powerful magical numbers are in the HP universe. Everything would be speculation.
     
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    Seven would have been better than eight, but we have no word on the details. The only in text authority to come close to speaking of it found even one too horrific to contemplate.
     
  4. Erotic Adventures of S

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    But how would Seven be better? The horcruxes worked perfectly, hard to destroy, didnt randomly fail.

    I can’t see how and number would make it better or worse, hell why not 144? The only number that seems better is more.
     
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    I think seven is only because its magically significant. I've seen the fact that Harry was the 8th, the 7th, or whatever Horcrux used in a ton of fics as a supposed 'weakness' to Voldemort. I think you're right, the larger the number the better.

    Because there are no apparent side effects other than when you die you become a wraith until you can rebirth a body. Voldemort chose a snake body I guess, because he's that kind of dude, but that doesn't mean someone else that did it would go the same route. I think people lose their shit when it comes to soul magic anything because the very nature of a soul is suspect.

    JK went ahead and made it something magically relevant, when the only time a soul is ever mentioned IRL is with religion.
     
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    Seven is a magically powerful number. Magically powerful number > average joe number.

    Horcruxes working 'perfectly' is debateable. They kept him alive, but he was a few feathers short of a hippogriff. Whether that was a consequence of making one, making so many, or just his charming personality has long been disputed.
     
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    Since when are there eight Horcruxes? Voldemort had seven, if you count Harry: Diary, Ring, Locket, Diadem, Cup, Nagini, Harry.

    The actual discussion always was about what Riddle meant to ask, resp. what Slughorn's answer would have been, in the question that is never finished.

    "Wouldn't seven" -- what? Seven pieces? That's six Horcruxes. Or seven splits? That's seven Horcruxes, but eight parts.

    Either way, the relevance of the number seven has to do with its magical properties, and Riddle quite clearly states that he expects it to make himself stronger. As we don't know the magical properties of 7, we can only take him at his word.
     
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    Back in my early fanfic days, I toyed with the idea that seven would render him not just immortal, but invulnerable as well. Kind of bullshit, looking back, but something that might appeal to him, I suppose.
     
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    I think it has been heavily implied that the more horcrux you make, the more unstable it renders your soul. So, other than making it a bit harder to kill him I doubt it worked out the way he wanted or would have wanted to.
     
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    Nah, it's clearly a progressive effect of horcruxes.

    Soul was magically relevant since well probably always, and magic is strongly related to religion. The concept of theosis, for example, came to Christianity from the mystical current of Neoplatonism (which was polytheistic in its nature) in which most of pre-Enlightenment western esoteric is rooted. Then you have all the funny shenanigans with the incorrect dating of Hermetical writings. You really could write (and there were written) long texts of relations between western esoterical thought and Christianity. And what could be called eastern esotericism is even more strongly interlocked with religion. A very good example here is Daoism with its internal alchemy and its elements basically being adapted in Japan into a magical system of Onmyoudou.

    Dumbledore seems to be quite sure that Voldemort meant seven soul pieces.